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re: Looking for some pitching sequence tips for youth baseball...
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:12 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:12 pm to Lester Earl
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Right, it's so easy that most high school & college players have good change ups.......oh wait....they don't
And comparing 11-12 year olds to college players is why you lose this debate.
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:12 pm to PurpleAndGold86
You only need to throw a handful of curves a game to keep the other team honest. That's if the kid has any velocity at all.
There are MLB pitchers that can't get a change up down. Tons of "2 pitch pitchers" coming out of bullpens that only throw FB & curve/slider. You don't think they've tried to learn Change ups?
There are MLB pitchers that can't get a change up down. Tons of "2 pitch pitchers" coming out of bullpens that only throw FB & curve/slider. You don't think they've tried to learn Change ups?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:13 pm to Chicken
Location is much more important at that age. That and don't frick around with the lower skilled hitters on the opposing team. They are waiting for anything BUT a fastball because they can't hit a fastball.
The better hitters- keep it low and outside and mix in some junk to keep them antsy and off balance.
The better hitters- keep it low and outside and mix in some junk to keep them antsy and off balance.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:15 pm to Lester Earl
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There are MLB pitchers that can't get a change up down. Tons of "2 pitch pitchers" coming out of bullpens that only throw FB & curve/slider. You don't think they've tried to learn Change ups?
Now we're talking about MLB pitchers? Seriously?
Think about this dude. They are 11-12. For an advanced college hitter or a guy in the pros, the changeup better be pretty well perfected or pitchers will pay. If the arm speed isn't the exact same it will get hit.
An 11-12 year old hitter is NOT that advanced that they can pick up on slightly slower arm speed (that's if the kid isn't even throwing it properly).
And now you're talking about pitchers in the bullpen? No shite there are a lot of 2 pitch pitchers coming out of the bullpen. They are throwing an inning. They don't need more than 2 pitches. Especially when they come in throwing 97 MPH.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:16 pm to PurpleAndGold86
Why? You're telling me you can teach a 12 year old a change up. And that it's easy. When a lot of college pitchers can't throw one effectively.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:16 pm to Lester Earl
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Tons of "2 pitch pitchers" coming out of bullpens that only throw FB & curve/slider. You don't think they've tried to learn Change ups?
Could be because change-up's aren't as effective in the Majors...lot's of good hitters.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:16 pm to Chicken
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One of my pitchers throws high heat with a curve ball. The others throw medium to medium high heat with either a circle change or a spike pitch (ball breaks like a curve but there is no breaking of the wrist). Most of my pitchers get pitching lessons on the side.
Dude just tell your kids to pound the fricking strike zone. "Calling" pitches for 11-12 isn't rocket science or some fine art. The kids sound like they have a clue. They will be fine.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:17 pm to Lester Earl
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Why? You're telling me you can teach a 12 year old a change up. And that it's easy. When a lot of college pitchers can't throw one effectively.
Yes
We were very successful doing it and the kids loved to throw it
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:19 pm to Chicken
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One of my pitchers throws high heat with a curve ball.
I hope you don't ask your 11-12 yo pitchers to throw this. We didn't start throwing a true breaking ball until 13-14 (8th Grade).
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:21 pm to Lester Earl
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ight, it's so easy that most high school & college players have good change ups.......oh wait....they don't
It amuses me how many people think a change up is literally just changing the grip and "choking" it up in the palm.
There's a reason every pitcher in the MLB draft is scouted upon how good their changeup is. If they don't have a good changeup or great control, they better have a fricking electric breaking ball and great fastball. Obviously velocity and arm action is looked at first, but a developed change up is what determines who gets to start and who is sent to the bullpen in the minors/majors.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:22 pm to Chicken
Back in '82, I could throw it over that mountain
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:23 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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One more thing you left off is how easy it is for a kid to improperly throw and frick their arms up as a result and not pitch past their sophomore year in school.
Still some debate around the subject, but many studies have shown that throwing a curve properly does nothing to hurt the arm of a youth pitcher.
Overworking a pitcher or a kid trying to throw too hard and fricking up his mechanics are the top reasons for injury.
And a curve is easier to control and teach than a changeup. Unless you're calling a slow pitch with slow arm action a changeup.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:23 pm to Lester Earl
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Tons of "2 pitch pitchers" coming out of bullpens that only throw FB & curve/slider. You don't think they've tried to learn Change ups?
Yes, but they don't need a change. They are paid to bring the heat. 10-20 pitches per game, that's it...
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:25 pm to Moustache
quote:
that throwing a curve properly
I very clearly said improperly.
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And a curve is easier to control than a changeup
No it isn't. quote:
Unless you're calling a slow pitch with slow arm action a changeup
For an 11-12 year old? Sure. It would be good enough. Hitters aren't up there scoping out the arm action.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:25 pm to Chicken
I don't know if it has been said but I would challenge every hitter with inside fastballs until they show they can hit it. My guess is 11-12 year olds you will see a lot of weak ground balls, which are more efficient.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:25 pm to Moustache
Moustache, I agree with you, as far as Varsity HS, college, and pro pitchers go. But teaching a young kid at 11 or 12 to throw a changeup is not rocket science. At that age, you are just looking for a change of speed. If you can teach proper technique for a changeup at 11 or 12, and have the kids work on it (just like they do a fastball, every day) then it becomes second nature.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:25 pm to Chicken
We use gamechanger for keeping scores. What ever your pitcher does, make sure that he makes that first pitch a strike.
Team stats:
FPS%: .564
FPS0%: .683
Star pitcher: Doesn't throw hard by the way. Hits the spots and doesn't walk kids
FPS%: .633
FPS0%: .731
73% of the time he pitches the first pitch and it's a strike it results in an out. His number for FPSW% were ridiculous. Only 4% of the time he pitched a first pitch strike ended up in a walk.
I agree with banging the outside corner unless the hitter is crowding the plate.
It really depends on how aggressive the batter is.
Team stats:
FPS%: .564
FPS0%: .683
Star pitcher: Doesn't throw hard by the way. Hits the spots and doesn't walk kids
FPS%: .633
FPS0%: .731
73% of the time he pitches the first pitch and it's a strike it results in an out. His number for FPSW% were ridiculous. Only 4% of the time he pitched a first pitch strike ended up in a walk.
I agree with banging the outside corner unless the hitter is crowding the plate.
It really depends on how aggressive the batter is.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:25 pm to Vlad
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Yes, but they don't need a change. They are paid to bring the heat. 10-20 pitches per game, that's it...
It's not that they don't need a change, it's that they don't fricking have one. That's why they're in the bullpen to begin with.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:26 pm to Moustache
quote:
it's that they don't fricking have one. That's why they're in the bullpen to begin with.
This thread is gold.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:27 pm to Moustache
Change Up is down the list a little further
Physical Attributes
Health
Intagibles
Velocity
Movement
Control
Mechanics
Are all more important to Scouts. IF the kid has a change-up, they are concerned about his control with it...yes
Physical Attributes
Health
Intagibles
Velocity
Movement
Control
Mechanics
Are all more important to Scouts. IF the kid has a change-up, they are concerned about his control with it...yes
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