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re: Little Boy arrived on the island of Tinian 80 years ago today…
Posted on 7/29/25 at 1:10 pm to mauser
Posted on 7/29/25 at 1:10 pm to mauser
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One of 2 bombs that saved 10s of thousands of American lives. Made the invasion of Japan unnecessary.
Saved 10 times that many. There’s probably a good bit of this very message board that wouldn’t be alive today if their grandfathers had to invade mainland Japan. Me included.
Both of my grandfathers were turning 18 in late 45/early 46 and were itching to join the marines to fight. Sure, they could’ve got support roles and not been near the fighting or they could’ve been on the first landing craft.
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Posted on 7/29/25 at 1:11 pm to Free888
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How Robert Shaw wasn’t even nominated for an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor still escapes me.
For that soliloquy alone.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 1:30 pm to deltadummy
I remember when that guy surrendered.
Hard-core.
Hard-core.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 1:49 pm to RollTide1987
In preparation for the invasion of Japan, a projected number of Purple Hearts needed for this battle were produced in the US. The number was so high that the medals not used then are still being used today.
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An important thing to consider today, more than 75 years after the war’s end, is that when Harry S. Truman became president following Roosevelt’s death in April 1945, Americans from Walhalla, Texas, to Washington, DC, believed America to be in the middle of the war.
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[In 1945, in preparation for the invasion of Japan,] the Army had organized a 100,000 men-per-month ‘’replacement stream’’ for the coming one-front war against Japan and the Army’s figures, of course, did not include Navy and Marine casualties.
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... some War Department estimates indicated the possibility of 1.7 million to as many as four million American killed, wounded, and missing to combat, disease, and accidents if the worst case scenarios based on the recent Iwo Jima and Okinawa battles came true.
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Fortunately, the invasion never took place. All the other implements of that war – tanks and LSTs, bullets and K-rations – have long since been sold, scrapped or used up, but the Purple Heart medals struck for their great grandfathers’ generation are still being pinned on the chests of young soldiers.
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... “arcanely worded military documents can be confusing,” said Pattillo, “but everyone understands a half-million Purple Hearts.”
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Posted on 7/29/25 at 3:05 pm to RollTide1987
Revisionist History:
Was reading several articles on a conservative website last week explaining why the bombs were unnecessary.
Every WW2 vet I talked to disagreed.
Was reading several articles on a conservative website last week explaining why the bombs were unnecessary.
Every WW2 vet I talked to disagreed.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 3:07 pm to RollTide1987
If you told the Japanese, that same day, what was coming on August 6th, they wouldn't have believed it. They had to be shown.
You know who benefitted from the atomic bomb more than any group of people on this planet? The Japanese (except those killed by those bombs).
You know who benefitted from the atomic bomb more than any group of people on this planet? The Japanese (except those killed by those bombs).
Posted on 7/29/25 at 3:14 pm to RollTide1987
I would wager that bomb not only saved Allied lives, but it also save a shitload of Japanese lives.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 3:19 pm to TheGooner
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I would wager that bomb not only saved Allied lives, but it also save a shitload of Japanese lives.
It's not a wager, it's a fact. Okinawa was the case study. A full-scale invasion of the home islands would have, conservatively, resulted in roughly a million Japanese deaths - AS AN ABSOLUTE FLOOR BASELINE ESTIMATE - and untold suffering for millions more, probably for 18 to 24 months before a rebuilding was even initiated.
Realistically, that number of Japanese deaths would likely have been more in the 5 to 10 million dead, with some estimates as high as 20 million. The Japanese government had been preparing the population for resistance for years, decades really. Preparations were in place for a defense to the last man/woman/child. And, to that point in the war, the Japanese had demonstrated sufficient resolve to convince us they would have gone through with it.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 3:22 pm to This GUN for HIRE
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The look on Richard Dreyfuss face as Shaw was saying that didn't seem like acting.
I'd read somewhere that Shaw was really battling alcoholism at the time of filming.
Tried to shoot that scene while drunk (I mean they were sitting around drinking in the scene) and every take came out like dog shite.
So Shaw begged Spielberg to give him another crack at it the next day.
And what we saw on film was all done on the first take the next morning.
So Dreyfuss may not have been acting and was just as amazed by it as we were.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 3:24 pm to Nutriaitch
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So Shaw begged Spielberg to give him another crack at it the next day.
And what we saw on film was all done on the first take the next morning.
I've seen Steven talk about this - he said that Shaw was sober as a judge for the take that made it to film.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 5:03 pm to Ace Midnight
I did 2 tours in Nam 69-71 and we dropped Napalm on them everyday and those dam jungles grew back the next day. The VC never stopped coming and we really didn't know what in the hell we were doing. Trying to fight their type war. Finally Nixon said to hell with this and started bombing Hanoi and Thailand and Cambodia and we started fighting our kind of war. This saved countless American lives. You do what you have to do to win a war.
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