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Linux Bans Univ of Minn for Bugs
Posted on 4/22/21 at 7:01 am
Posted on 4/22/21 at 7:01 am
Linux Foundation Bans University of Minnesota After It Intentionally Submitted Buggy Patches
LINK: Tomshardware.com
They were doing research.
Always questioned the trustworthiness of open source. They do appear to have some controls.
LINK: Tomshardware.com
They were doing research.
Always questioned the trustworthiness of open source. They do appear to have some controls.
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 7:02 am to squid_hunt
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Our community does not appreciate being experimented on,
They got a sack. Like it.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 7:07 am to squid_hunt
Dick move by those kids. And more importantly, dick move by their professor who did nothing when they submitted the paper.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 7:12 am to Centinel
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Dick move by those kids.
Typical of the douchebags you run into in software development. Something about the field attracts narcissistic dorks.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 7:18 am to USMEagles
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Typical of the douchebags you run into in software development.
That's what I was thinking. Most people in programming would want to try this or they wouldn't be worth anything as a programmer. There are valid reasons to attempt to poke holes in the process, but it doesn't really say what the bugs were.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 7:30 am to squid_hunt
The Linux community is all about peer review and testing.
The Microsoft patch system has been total garbage the past 2 or 3 years.
The last 2 patches have had patches to fix the patches because of bsod and performance issues.
Software updates are tricky but I like the Linux model more.
The Microsoft patch system has been total garbage the past 2 or 3 years.
The last 2 patches have had patches to fix the patches because of bsod and performance issues.
Software updates are tricky but I like the Linux model more.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 7:41 am to squid_hunt
The source article comments are gold
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Looks like this university should stick to parsing technical words in source code that they don't understand to find "offensive" terms and scream about them for SJWs
Posted on 4/22/21 at 7:47 am to Helo
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The Microsoft patch system has been total garbage the past 2 or 3 years.
The last 2 patches have had patches to fix the patches because of bsod and performance issues.
Software updates are tricky but I like the Linux model more.
I switched to Linux when Microshaft stopped supporting 7. Only thing I miss is some of the video games.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 7:51 am to squid_hunt
I Basically know very very little about this but I know what Linux and open sourcing and all that is, but is this saying that Univ of Minn had a class that was submitting data to Linux for other people to use that was fricking up their computers?
Posted on 4/22/21 at 8:08 am to BorrisMart
There is a peer review process for evaluating submitted changes. What the UofM submitted was caught in the peer review process and did not make it to a "live" version.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 8:29 am to BorrisMart
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but is this saying that Univ of Minn had a class that was submitting data to Linux for other people to use that was fricking up their computers?
Yes. They were creating patches that were installing new bugs. Supposedly it was in the name of research. But they got caught, multiple times, so who knows?
Posted on 4/22/21 at 8:35 am to squid_hunt
Seriously, this experiment could be conducted with consent, or in a less malicious way. The experimenter chose not to to cut corners, and instead abused a product level system. This is negligent programming as much as it is negligent research.
Either you get consent, so the involved system can implement safety checks to ensure your patches dont go to final production even if you fail to request they not apply the patch.
Or you introduce legit patches that involve some read only method of tracking if these patches were actually reviewed. Again, either by partnering with the party involved, or utilizing some approach to know if the artifacts were actually loaded.
Either you get consent, so the involved system can implement safety checks to ensure your patches dont go to final production even if you fail to request they not apply the patch.
Or you introduce legit patches that involve some read only method of tracking if these patches were actually reviewed. Again, either by partnering with the party involved, or utilizing some approach to know if the artifacts were actually loaded.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 8:37 am to squid_hunt
Yeah, but the patch is not in official release. It gets vetted by the community.
Open Source is fine, you are missing the point.
Open Source is fine, you are missing the point.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 8:48 am to LSU Coyote
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Yeah, but the patch is not in official release. It gets vetted by the community.
Which was the point of the attempt. Obviously the gatekeepers didn't think this was a legitimate thing to do, but as I said, there could be a valid purpose in it. Depends on the motives of the students.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 9:03 am to squid_hunt
Anyone trying to use this as an excuse to say open source is not good are very much missing the point. Look at that solarwinds stuff. That would likely never happen with open source software because it is reviewed constantly. Solarwinds stuff was able to happen because there is no community review of code. The open nature of the code process with Linux is proof positive that open source works and has for decades.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 9:06 am to squid_hunt
It seems the students were caught and warned at first. They basically told the linux guys to frick off and tried submitting another useless patch. That's when they dropped the banhammer ZDnet Story
Posted on 4/22/21 at 9:10 am to USMEagles
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Typical of the douchebags you run into in software development. Something about the field attracts narcissistic dorks.
Our team is half super liberal Austin/California pro-noun types, and not pc at all old guys with white beards who say whatever the frick they want
Posted on 4/22/21 at 9:19 am to Old Money
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Our team is half super liberal Austin/California pro-noun types, and not pc at all old guys with white beards who say whatever the frick they want
Same at the places I've been recently, but more and more it's the Austin weenie types running things.
I don't think there's any doubt open source (or "free") software is superior to proprietary software. That's a general statement- if you need Autocad or something, there's probably not a freebie you can use instead.
Windows vs. Linux is not even a contest, though. If you've used Linux with any success, dealing with Windows feels like interacting with a really cheezy used car salesman in comparison. I hate this word, but it's almost an OS based on gaslighting the user.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 9:22 am to squid_hunt
NCAA sanctions incoming.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 9:59 am to USMEagles
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but more and more it's the Austin weenie types running things.
Sadly there is no escaping this unless I work for myself eventually.
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