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re: Let's talk tithing...
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:38 am to Commandeaux
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:38 am to Commandeaux
My advice would be to start with Malachi 3:10
"Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the LORD Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it."
"Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the LORD Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it."
This post was edited on 1/9/15 at 10:43 am
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:39 am to OnTheBrink
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Good for you! My wife and I are not at 10%. We do however donate to some different charities and causes, that doesn't justify us not doing so, but it makes me feel better.
I don't judge anyone (unless there's a Rant thread I don't like ) for what they do or don't.....not my business. I sincerely enjoy tithing.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:39 am to BabyTac
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2 Corinthians 9:7 - Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, [so let him give]; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver
This is what I use as my guide. I've read books on tithing and both sides make a good argument. I've given large amounts and small amounts. Sometimes will give less to church but more to someone in need/charity.
This post was edited on 1/9/15 at 10:40 am
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:40 am to CAT
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for God loveth a cheerful giver
This!
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:41 am to BabyTac
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OT church goers, do you just throw a 20 or so in there or really give that much money (10%)?
If you only throw in a $20 then your preacher might only get a 3 series BMW. You think he can adequately preach the gospel driving less than a 7 series? Quit being selfish.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:41 am to BabyTac
You can tithe of either money or talent. My wife teaches at a Catholic school. We consider her making half the salary of teachers at public schools charity work for the church. Thus we rarely give unless there is a special collection for the youth group or other cause.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:41 am to BabyTac
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Now that I'm older and making OT baller money, is 10% really expected? That comes to a pretty big monthly bill...
OT church goers, do you just throw a 20 or so in there or really give that much money (10%)?
Jesus spoke exactly to this.
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To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable:10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
And for those who talk a big game :
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when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:44 am to BabyTac
I'm assuming those that are tithing are doing so after taxes/401k/insurance/etc. correct? Still very impressive for those that are able to give that kind of money. My wife and I are young and both make good money. I cannot imagine giving 10% of my pay to the church. We typically give $20 but I am starting to feel bad about it.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:44 am to mahdragonz
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You can't buy your way into heaven.
And if your church has a pastor that drives a nice car, what are you really paying for?
I give my time not money bc I can see what it's benefiting directly, not paying off a pastors mistress (healing place, cough cough)
1- the money goes to other things also, church bills, misisons, etc
2. my pastor works a full time job as a small engine mechanic, he doesnt drive a cadillac
3. Why do you even attend church if you assume you pastor has a mistress?
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:48 am to Breesus
We used to give $100 a week. We got more involved and joined a church a few years ago, and during commitment time they really went into where the money goes. More than 50% goes straight to missions work outside the church. The rest is divided between building costs, salaries and benefits, and programs within the church. We made the decision to up our giving to a tithe and it honesty surprises me how we somehow have more left at the end of the month than before. I guess part of that is we are more about budgeting now than in the past because my wife isn't working anymore but I like to think some of it is we are being rewarded for giving our share.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:48 am to BabyTac
I pay 10%. Do it now as an engineer and did it when I was a part time umpire during college. Just feel like it is my duty based on scripture to give the lord back a portion of what he has blessed me with. As far as what it is spent on, I view it as I do my part and the rest is on the pastor/clergy.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:52 am to BabyTac
My wife tithes on her salary. I do not. It is a tremendous amount of money to hand over and a constant source of frustration for me, but it is her belief. The majority goes to the church, but we usually take $500 or so each month and give it to a charity also. Not sure how the rules work on that, but I convinced her that the church is doing just fine while there are lots of needy people.
Sad part is you can't even drop a big wad of cash in the plate Coming to America/OT style each week and shame others into forking over more than a $20 because the church needs the checks for tax purposes.
Sad part is you can't even drop a big wad of cash in the plate Coming to America/OT style each week and shame others into forking over more than a $20 because the church needs the checks for tax purposes.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:56 am to beary25
My wife and I tithe and have for years. We have been truly blessed in our earthly lives, and no, tithing won't get you into heaven. But if you are a true follower of God you will tithe. It is not something we really think about anymore, it is part of life for us. We treat it like any other bill, you want lights, pay your electric bill. The same with financial blessings from God.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:00 am to NOFOX
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I convinced her that the church is doing just fine while there are lots of needy people.
Churches and religious institutions are the largest providers of aid to the poor. No matter if you give it to your church or to the stewpot, it still helps the needy.
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Sad part is you can't even drop a big wad of cash in the plate Coming to America/OT style each week and shame others into forking over more than a $20 because the church needs the checks for tax purposes.
You really need to re-evaluate things if the only reason you give is to get recognized/applauded or to shame someone else.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:06 am to NOFOX
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sure how the rules work on that
Someone asked our pastor about that and he said the 10% didn't need to all go to the church. You could split up the encouraged amount as you saw fit.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:10 am to BabyTac
How about using that $20 to buy a science book?
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:25 am to AnonymousTiger
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Churches and religious institutions are the largest providers of aid to the poor. No matter if you give it to your church or to the stewpot, it still helps the needy.
I understand that. Our church is not extravagant, but does spend a money on aesthetics to continue attracting more to the congregation which I get annoyed with sometimes, but understand the necessity of it. Additionally I do not always know to which charities the money goes, so sometimes I like to pick charities our church is not associated with that I know are well run and do great work and deserve more than they have.
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You really need to re-evaluate things if the only reason you give is to get recognized/applauded or to shame someone else.
It was a joke. I am actually amazed at how many people I have spoken with who will not donate anything anonymously because of the loss of tax deduction and lack of recognition.
This post was edited on 1/9/15 at 11:29 am
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:42 am to NOFOX
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Sad part is you can't even drop a big wad of cash in the plate Coming to America/OT style each week and shame others into forking over more than a $20 because the church needs the checks for tax purposes.
Our church gives us envelopes with a number on them. You can fill it out on the front if not all of your check/cash is for the general fund. Like the building fund, or the Missions fund, in particular. Or you could stuff it with hundreds each week until it barely closes. They don't care. The number on the envelope just helps the accounting office keep a track of your giving. They don't need checks.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 1:36 pm to Tigerlaff
“Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver” (2 Corinthians 9:7).
We are encouraged at our church with this: Not equal gifts - but equal sacrifice. How much you give is between you and God. You can't buy your way into heaven. As for me...I personally give a minimum of 10% of my gross income. I can honestly say that I am being blessed as a result.
From GotQuestions.org:
Many Christians struggle with the issue of tithing. In some churches giving is over-emphasized. At the same time, many Christians refuse to submit to the biblical exhortations about making offerings to the Lord. Tithing/giving is intended to be a joy and a blessing. Sadly, that is sometimes not the case in the church today.
Tithing is an Old Testament concept. The tithe was a requirement of the Law in which the Israelites were to give 10 percent of the crops they grew and the livestock they raised to the tabernacle/temple (Leviticus 27:30; Numbers 18:26; Deuteronomy 14:24; 2 Chronicles 31:5). In fact, the Old Testament Law required multiple tithes—one for the Levites, one for the use of the temple and the feasts, and one for the poor of the land—which would have pushed the total to around 23.3 percent. Some understand the Old Testament tithe as a method of taxation to provide for the needs of the priests and Levites in the sacrificial system.
The New Testament nowhere commands, or even recommends, that Christians submit to a legalistic tithe system. The New Testament nowhere designates a percentage of income a person should set aside, but only says gifts should be “in keeping with income” (1 Corinthians 16:2). Some in the Christian church have taken the 10 percent figure from the Old Testament tithe and applied it as a “recommended minimum” for Christians in their giving.
The New Testament talks about the importance and benefits of giving. We are to give as we are able. Sometimes that means giving more than 10 percent; sometimes that may mean giving less. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the church. Every Christian should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom in the matter of participating in tithing and/or how much to give (James 1:5). Above all, all tithes and offerings should be given with pure motives and an attitude of worship to God and service to the body of Christ.
We are encouraged at our church with this: Not equal gifts - but equal sacrifice. How much you give is between you and God. You can't buy your way into heaven. As for me...I personally give a minimum of 10% of my gross income. I can honestly say that I am being blessed as a result.
From GotQuestions.org:
Many Christians struggle with the issue of tithing. In some churches giving is over-emphasized. At the same time, many Christians refuse to submit to the biblical exhortations about making offerings to the Lord. Tithing/giving is intended to be a joy and a blessing. Sadly, that is sometimes not the case in the church today.
Tithing is an Old Testament concept. The tithe was a requirement of the Law in which the Israelites were to give 10 percent of the crops they grew and the livestock they raised to the tabernacle/temple (Leviticus 27:30; Numbers 18:26; Deuteronomy 14:24; 2 Chronicles 31:5). In fact, the Old Testament Law required multiple tithes—one for the Levites, one for the use of the temple and the feasts, and one for the poor of the land—which would have pushed the total to around 23.3 percent. Some understand the Old Testament tithe as a method of taxation to provide for the needs of the priests and Levites in the sacrificial system.
The New Testament nowhere commands, or even recommends, that Christians submit to a legalistic tithe system. The New Testament nowhere designates a percentage of income a person should set aside, but only says gifts should be “in keeping with income” (1 Corinthians 16:2). Some in the Christian church have taken the 10 percent figure from the Old Testament tithe and applied it as a “recommended minimum” for Christians in their giving.
The New Testament talks about the importance and benefits of giving. We are to give as we are able. Sometimes that means giving more than 10 percent; sometimes that may mean giving less. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the church. Every Christian should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom in the matter of participating in tithing and/or how much to give (James 1:5). Above all, all tithes and offerings should be given with pure motives and an attitude of worship to God and service to the body of Christ.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 1:53 pm to Bmath
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You can tithe of either money or talent.
No you can't.
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