re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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Churchill.and his bunch were not communists but what they caved to Stalin and let the Soviets get by with is shameful and mindblowing. It was disgusting.

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Russia was holding British and American POWs in camps they liberated.

The Roosevelt admin kind of just did a lot of stuff with little regard for Congress or even the law at times.

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They denied aid and/or money to Chiang kai-shek be cause they said he was "corrupt".

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That isn't entirely incorrect, but obviously aiding Mao was worse. Once he was in Taiwan Chiang essentially created a one party state, but to be fair when you're facing down the dragon you don't need petty political battles destabilizing you when you have much bigger fish to fry.

Mao made Stalin.look.bad when.it came to killing.

Chiang kai-shek may have been "corrupt" but he was no Mao.

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Mao let Chaing do most of the fighting against the Japanese and attrition was higher with the nationalists than the Chicoms

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But the CCP says it defeated the Japanese. Some of the Chinese war movies about WWII are laughable.

Correct. Mao basically initiated a truce with the Japanese.

Mao actually colluded with the Japanese to attack and weaken the nationalist forces.

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Daryl Cooper sort of books?


No. Theses books are researched and documented with absolute facts. The authors are credible historians who have backed up and documented/cited everything in the books.

Just not the propaganda that you were taught in school. The average person never comes into contact with many of those facts because they do no do the research or read anything beyond what they were told. They just swallow what they are told and most are just useful idiots.

I know it is probably hard for boomers like you to believe it but the US is just as good at propaganda as the Soviets were.

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Howard Zinn was a credible historian who have backed up and documented/cited everything in the books... but I doubt you agree with his conclusions.

I'm familiar with "Stalin's War" from when it came out (2021?) and I read a lot about it and saw the author give a speech on CSPAN. Yes, Stalin was a snake and a monster, but the idea that we could've just made peace with Hitler and fought Russia instead is... well, you can't say anything about the Azov Brigade if you agree with that one. The author is just so obsessed with being anti-Communism (and Communism sucks, to be clear) that he'll give NAZIsm a pass... and since the USSR (and Communism-as a-whole, pretty much) collapsed 30 years ago that almost seems silly.

The problem with Russia, as we've discussed here in the past, is just a societal one inherited from their period of being vassal city-states of the Mongols. Regardless of the system they're under, the leadership class views the people as slaves... and the people tend to act and think like slaves in return.

I mentioned earlier someone asking a teacher at LSU "how could WWII have been avoided?" and he said "Well, someone could've killed Bismarck when he was a baby!" Bismarck was a militaristic Prussian who unified Germany as a militaristic-minded state... militaristic things were going to happen, no matter what, because that was the baked-in National mindset.

The Soviet Union never functioned... Stalin was enough of a monster to just torture and scare people into doing what he wanted... but it started dying the minute he was dead and his successors, to varying degrees, were not monstrous enough to command blind obedience. Kruschev "de-Stalinized" the USSR immediately once he took over, and that was the beginning of the end.

The countries of Eastern Europe that ended up behind the Iron Curtain... most of which transitioned from being majority peasant societies ruled by monarchs to peasant societies ruled by appointed Communist leaders. The surge of the "far right" in a lot of these countries you guys seem to cheer on as a good thing, when examined, is people being nostalgic for the COMMUNIST era (and they associate Putin with it returning), because they were guaranteed employment (where just showing up was enough) and there was no middle and upper-middle class above them that they resented.

An old joke I remember from that same teacher at LSU was "an American Communist is someone who's never worked a day doing anything but pushing a pencil!" It never caught on with the actual grunt workers, therefore under its own theory it couldn't take over. The people wanting it had no power... they could only sit in some co-op coffee shop and dream about it. I remember the version of "The Red Scare" from when I was a kid, and it was that the USSR would nuke the world because it couldn't win.

Kind of the same fear with Putin at this point.

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that way he can stay here forever.

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Why would we want to help him do that? He's a racist, antisemitic, wack job struggling with his homosexuality by professing to hate homosexuals. What value does this kind of person bring to the discussion?

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I think (hope) he wasn't making the point you're accusing him of making.

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Of course you don't.

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Of course you don't.

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If you're going to accuse me of something, just say it and back it up with evidence. Otherwise you're just bullshitting, which is what you usually do.

Its a fair question... both killed a ton of people, why is one still revered? Statues of both should be toppled.