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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/17/25 at 6:30 pm to John Barron
Posted on 5/17/25 at 6:30 pm to John Barron
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Posted on 5/17/25 at 6:32 pm to doubleb
Again, the fact that Biden attempted to manage the conflict shows that admin's naivete. What the US did end up giving was a rather small amount in the overall scheme of our own defense capabilities.
The main question is why can the Russians, without irony, demand things from negotiations which cannot be supported by the realities of the actual conflict? Or rather, why should any third-party nation take them seriously in negotiations? They've been duplicitous before and will be again. They don't want a ceasefire, they want capitulation.
The main question is why can the Russians, without irony, demand things from negotiations which cannot be supported by the realities of the actual conflict? Or rather, why should any third-party nation take them seriously in negotiations? They've been duplicitous before and will be again. They don't want a ceasefire, they want capitulation.
Posted on 5/17/25 at 6:53 pm to crazy4lsu
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What the US did end up giving was a rather small amount in the overall scheme of our own defense capabilities.
Incorrect. We gave all the West could produce in that theater. There was a problem with production and NATO has admitted that. The Houthis almost took down a F35, you act like a S400 would be incapable of the same thing. Not to mention Russia would surely start to use Oreshnik Missiles on Ukraine that would actually have a conventional payload this time if things escalated. You act like there is no reason why we have not escalated when the fact is there is a very good reason we have not escalated
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 5/17/25 at 7:11 pm to John Barron
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Incorrect. We gave all the West could produce in that theater.
What? Read what I wrote again. We gave Ukraine fairly old technology. We did not give them the best of the best of anything. In other words, what we gave to Ukraine is not reflective of the war we would fight.
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The Houthis almost took down a F35, you act like a S400 would be incapable of the same thing.
Yeah the argument from some analysts has been that because the Houthis use older technology which is highly mobile, that's why they were able to get close to shooting down US aircraft. The F35 should theoretically do better against an S400.
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You act like there is no reason why we have not escalated when the fact is there is a very good reason we have not escalated
No, I'm suggesting that a maximalist approach in the beginning would have done more to bring the conflict to a close than the piecemeal strategy. Again, the piecemeal strategy of giving Ukraine barely enough of what it needed and often too late was often in response to an original Russian escalation. There would definitely be downsides to a maximalist strategy, namely that it would receive a maximalist response, but Putin has played nuclear blackmail to the smallest provocation, which should be illustrative to how serious he is about using nuclear weapons.
Posted on 5/17/25 at 7:13 pm to John Barron
Posted on 5/17/25 at 7:13 pm to PoppedRiser
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Putin and his generals made that mistake dealing with Ukrainians early on, brotherly nation and whatnot. They've since adopted a US policy.
Russia sends missiles and bombs to civilian populations and meat to the front.
Posted on 5/17/25 at 7:17 pm to PoppedRiser
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That would never happen, you have no idea what you're talking about, unless it your overly dramatic figure of speech.
S300s and S400s are kaput in Iran thanks to the Israeli F35's
They have never lived up to their glossy brochures
Posted on 5/17/25 at 7:22 pm to crazy4lsu
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That is absolutely not a strong position for a military that was once rated as a near peer for the US to be in, don't you agree?
I'm saying how they were previously perceived to be rated is irrelevant because now we know better. You're talking like a win against a 2-10 team is good because the 2-10 team was rated top 10 in the preseason.
I think it's kind of insulting to the US (and to Ukraine) to keep bashing Russia's relative strength by holding them to a standard we know is no longer true. They are still extremely formidable, just not a real challenger to the US. To act like they aren't a formidable foe at all downplays our capabilities and how stout the Ukrainians have been based on the successes in Ukraine so far for the west.
I also think we are criticising Russia for a lack of success in doing things that aren't operationally efficient or even in some cases operationally possible at all due to drones. "They are moving equipment with donkeys!"... Fun to meme about, absolutely. But if they are doing it because a donkey is much cheaper to replace than a vehicle they would have used otherwise, it's actually operationally intelligent. But granted, it kind of seems like they actually need the donkeys in some cases at least
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Posted on 5/17/25 at 7:24 pm to doubleb
You ready to answer a yes or no question about your own beliefs yet?
Posted on 5/17/25 at 7:30 pm to VolSquatch
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I think it's kind of insulting to the US (and to Ukraine) to keep bashing Russia's relative strength by holding them to a standard we know is no longer true. They are still extremely formidable, just not a real challenger to the US. To act like they aren't a formidable foe at all downplays our capabilities and how stout the Ukrainians have been
In the context of the original OP, my point has been that Russia's demands do not match their battlefield performance. Nor do their future threats. If you go back (and if I am not mixing this line of discussion with another) then you'll see that is what prompted me to make the comparison in the first place.
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I also think we are criticising Russia for a lack of success in doing things that aren't operationally efficient or even in some cases operationally possible at all due to drones
They had those problems related to efficiency well before drones dominated the battlefield. The Russians adapted well and do dictate to the Ukrainains the type of conflict this is going to be, but that is the least we should expect from a country that is larger and richer.
Posted on 5/17/25 at 7:32 pm to CitizenK
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S300s and S400s are kaput in Iran thanks to the Israeli F35's
1. Iran doesn't have S400s
2. ISW Reports from Victoria Nuland and General Jack Keane who is on the board of ISW going on Fox News with Neocon Propaganda does not make it true. The Houthis almost shot down a F35
Posted on 5/17/25 at 8:03 pm to John Barron
Ukrainian Soldiers are starting to breakdown. The desperate pleas by Zelensky for a Ceasefire are starting to make sense
"I have never received more stupid tasks than in the current direction. I will tell you the details sometime, but the loss of people was dull, trembling before the stupid generals leads to nothing except failures. All they are capable of - reprimands, investigations, imposition of penalties. Everyone is going to hell. "Political" games and assessment of the real state of affairs do not correspond to either reality or possibilities. They played games."
"I have never received more stupid tasks than in the current direction. I will tell you the details sometime, but the loss of people was dull, trembling before the stupid generals leads to nothing except failures. All they are capable of - reprimands, investigations, imposition of penalties. Everyone is going to hell. "Political" games and assessment of the real state of affairs do not correspond to either reality or possibilities. They played games."
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The New York Times found out what Russian soldiers think about the idea of ??a ceasefire
??Russian soldiers admit that they are ready to fight until the complete liberation of Russian territory.
??A total of 11 servicemen were interviewed, all of them rejected the proposal of Ukraine and the West for an unconditional ceasefire.
?"We want to take all the regions so that in the future we won't have to fight for them. Otherwise, all the guys died in vain?" one of the mobilized soldiers named Sergei told the publication.
??Earlier it was reported that the Russian delegation acting on behalf of the president at the negotiations put forward demands for Ukraine to leave 4 regions that became Russian according to the Constitution."
??Russian soldiers admit that they are ready to fight until the complete liberation of Russian territory.
??A total of 11 servicemen were interviewed, all of them rejected the proposal of Ukraine and the West for an unconditional ceasefire.
?"We want to take all the regions so that in the future we won't have to fight for them. Otherwise, all the guys died in vain?" one of the mobilized soldiers named Sergei told the publication.
??Earlier it was reported that the Russian delegation acting on behalf of the president at the negotiations put forward demands for Ukraine to leave 4 regions that became Russian according to the Constitution."
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Posted on 5/17/25 at 8:36 pm to John Barron
Posted on 5/17/25 at 9:27 pm to John Barron
How far is that? Looks like another breakthrough. 1200 feet?
Posted on 5/17/25 at 9:28 pm to John Barron
Politico Publico
Is there a difference?
Is there a difference?
Posted on 5/17/25 at 9:31 pm to doubleb
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