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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:31 am to
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:31 am to
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Is it correct that the jist of Pence’s comment was: we are in a proxy war with Russia and we should do everything we can to win it?


That is the gist. Though he said the proxy war is with the Soviets which some people jumped on but he had just been talking about the Reagan Doctrine and his choice may have actually been on purpose. He further said that the Biden admin had not done enough nor done what they have quickly enough.

I was intrigued enough to track down the clip after seeing comments about it, that 10 minutes was more cable news than I have watched in literally years. Has Hannity been this pro aid for the whole war or is this a new turn?
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:36 am to
Isn’t Triple Canopy a Private Contractor?

And yes, we are fighting a Proxy war, the second we send US troops into combat (not mercenaries) it isn’t a proxy war anymore. Pence’s statement gave no support to transitioning this away from a proxy war.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:36 am to
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Has Hannity been this pro aid for the whole war or is this a new turn?


Hannity has never known a conflict he didn’t think the US should be involved in in some capacity. The only time I’ve ever seen him scale back was during the Trump administration and only because Trump’s non interventionist stance was popular at the time among his viewers.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:40 am to
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Isn’t Triple Canopy a Private Contractor?


Yes. They are employed by the US government. The only difference between them and active duty is they’re not subject to the UCMJ.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:44 am to
I have never been comfortable with the concept of PMC’s. It just seems like a way to get around the rules to me. Does Posse Comitatus apply to PMC’s??.

Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:48 am to
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Triple Canopy


Blackwater became XE, XE became Academi, Academi got folded into Constellis and Triple Canopy is part of Constellis. They are technically a PSC vs a PMC but those lines have blurred a bit in the past, I am not sure what TC's exact posture is.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:49 am to
That applies to domestic issues only I thought.

I don’t know about getting around the rules, but there’s a lot less red tape I can tell you that.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:56 am to
The question behind the question is…could the US Government deploy PMC’s inside the US to get around the limitations imposed by Posse Comitatus?
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:02 am to
I think PMC/PSC fall under the same laws preventing the use of the US military for domestic enforcement, but I don’t know for sure.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:05 am to
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Does Posse Comitatus apply to PMC’s


Short answer is no.

Interesting fact about the Posse Comitatus Act it only applies to the Army and Air Force. The same restrictions are placed on the Navy and Marines via 10 U.S. Code § 275. The Coast Guard has express statutory authority and is not bound by Posse Comitatus which is why they can stop a boat on the Diversion in front of my camp.

While the short answer is no, PMCs or PSCs would have the same restrictions on them as local law enforcement in terms of working with the military for example using the military for investigation purposes. Despite this, PMCs and PSCs have very little authority within the US outside of certain allowances made to them by state and local statutes.
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 1:07 am
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:05 am to
Well if they don’t, they should. I have a general dislike for all the outsourcing that has occurred within the military. Base housing is a perfect example. Soldiers should not have to deal with a contractor whose agenda is profit maximization when they need basic repairs to their quarters.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:06 am to
Thank you for the insight.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 1:18 am to
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Soldiers should not have to deal with a contractor whose agenda is profit maximization when they need basic repairs to their quarters.


I don’t disagree, but base housing for enlisted has always been shite. It didn’t matter who was tasked with maintaining it. Same goes for officer housing depending on duty station.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:15 am to
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My Grandfather served in WWII, he paid us a long time ago.


If he was paying taxes in 1980's then he paid for them
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:16 am to
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pRoTeCt DeMoCrAcY


Thank you for posting Kremlin material. That is what Russia Today is and always has been. It's the go to for nutters
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:25 am to
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Mike Huckabee.


Huck is on fund raising drive commercials for Ukraine
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:27 am to
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Has Hannity been this pro aid for the whole war or is this a new turn?



Hannity was pro Ukraine support at the beginning. So was Gutfield
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:29 am to
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The question behind the question is…could the US Government deploy PMC’s inside the US to get around the limitations imposed by Posse Comitatus?


The Stream family hired Blackwater to get its Faberge Eggs from NOMA post Katrina.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:52 am to
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Ukraine is incapable of defeating Russia on their own. What happens when they run out of bodies?



You really should try to keep up more. The Russo-Ukrainian war is now in the same position of WWII after Normandy, or the Civil war after Vicksburg and Gettysburg. That's to say that, from a strategic point of view, the conflict's outcome has been decided, even if there's still a lot of fighting left.

Russia has lost over half of the active tanks that it had before the war. Russia is out of ammo, and some of its leaders are screaming at others and calling them traitors because they can't get more. Russia is losing over a thousand soldiers a day in a "big offensive" that's accomplishing nothing except exhausting what little supplies they have left. I mean, here's a video from a few hours ago that shows some 15-20 newly destroyed Russian vehicles.

Seriously, Russia is now so impotent that it can longer even damage the Ukrainian electricity grid. After months of Russian bombardment, the streetlights in Kyiv have been on for over a week now, as the country's electrical grid has finally reached full capacity.

In the meantime, Ukraine is assembling its new generation of NATO heavy armor, with the far superior killing abilities that those pieces have, for a spring offensive that will destroy the "land bridge" and isolate Crimea. With GLSDB, JDAM-ER, and Storm Shadow, Ukraine is getting the means to isolate Crimea completely -- Russia won't be able to supply tens of thousands of troops with anything larger than a helicopter.

And European contributions to Ukraine's military aren't slowing down -- they're escalating. Even if the US were to essentially cut Ukraine off right now and give them nothing else besides parts and ammo, Ukraine would still be headed for an overwhelming victory. The UK is giving Storm Shadow, France just donated Akeron MP missiles, and we got word last night that:
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Under its new military aid package, Italy will provide Ukraine with Spada and Skyguard air defense systems beyond the SAMP-T/Mamba, which it earlier pledged to deliver, Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni said on Feb. 21.

Several announcements like this happen every week (and some countries, such as Finland, don't even announce what they give). Ukraine gets stronger daily, as tens of thousands of its soldiers are trained on NATO equipment and in combined arms tactics.

Again, the writing is on the wall, for anyone who cares to read it.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 6:56 am to
Russia's "expert" for Nordstream testifying.

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