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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/22/22 at 4:34 pm to
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 4:34 pm to
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But you’re like frick it and just stick the fork in the socket to find out.
show me where i said this
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 4:35 pm to
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Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 4:36 pm to
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You see what’s going on in Sri Lanka right now? Wait until October and November. You’ll be seeing shite worldwide that you never imagined you’d see in your lifetime.


Okay, let's make a bet. You thought that Kamela was gonna put you in a camp at around six months into Biden's tenure, didn't you?

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A good 70% of the world is about to be like Sri Lanka, and 30% of us are going to get lucky and simply be in a Netherlands and Italy scenario we’re currently seeing.



Utter insanity.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 4:37 pm to
My point is that why is the onus on us to save the world by backing down, and not Russia
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 4:39 pm to
A cosmonaut is now going to fly on SpacEx Dragon under NASA so Putin is pivoting some.
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Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 4:44 pm to
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Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 4:48 pm to
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You’re delusional if you think Ukraine is taking back the Donbas and Crimea.


They will when Pootin’ is killed. He has said that he has only begun in Ukraine. He intends to take all of it.

He tried back in February and March and was shocked, I’m sure, that Ukraine fought back. His strategy now is to go slower and hope the West loses interest as they did with South Ossetia in Georgia and with the annexation of Crimea.

He will attempt to overwhelm Ukraine’s military slowly via attrition of their manpower. He doesn’t give a damn that his own forces are suffering equal losses to the Ukes.

He figures he has more cannon fodder than Ukraine can kill. What he doesn’t seem to understand is that he has awakened a disunited Europe and forced a resurgence of NATO.

There will be more and stronger weapons delivered to Ukraine as the fighting goes on. The orcs are bogged down in the Donbas and are expending equipment and personnel in trying to hold onto it.

Ukraine has opened an offensive front in the south and are bombarding the defensive orc forces there. Soon, Ukraine will be able to reach anywhere in Crimea and the Black Sea with western weapons.

Russia is quickly losing its raw manpower advantage to superior weapons in Ukraine. There will come a point wherein the orc losses will be so great that Pootin’s subordinates will rise up against him and assassinate the old psychopath. This is the only solution to the war.
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 4:50 pm to
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Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 4:53 pm to
Meh, the parts of the world which are facing so called starvation or under more influence from Russia already.

As far as oil goes, making $34 per barrel and the sources to refiners are just rearranged. With the expense of its war Russia needs the revenue of natural gas a LOT. Sales to Europe cannot just go elsewhere with all of the pipelines going to Europe and very little liquefaction capacity and only one terminal to supply Asia.

New England might freeze this winter without Russian LNG imports.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 4:54 pm to
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The problem with this argument is they’re a major nuclear power that control much of the world’s wheat and oil supply, and you basically refuse to acknowledge the potential downside of prodding this bear with a stick.



The world produced 760 million metric tonnes of wheat in 2020. Russia produced around 11 percent and Ukraine produced around 3 percent. Their increase in wheat production seems to be correlated to sanctions, as before sanctions, they produced around 5 percent. Is there some other way they control much of the world's wheat supply? China and India control far more, accounting for 31% of the total supply. I don't know much about wheat markets, but I'm starting to suspect you don't either.

I don't know where you are getting the wheat numbers from. I don't think your oil supply numbers are right either, which isn't to say that Russian actions can't affect the price, of course.
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Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 4:56 pm to
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Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 4:57 pm to
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I never dreamed that they would be irresponsible enough to make a dementia patient President for long. I thought Biden’s first 100 days in office would be his only days in office, but I underestimated how much they wanted to destroy this country and that the incompetence was the point. Afghanistan really changed a lot of my perspectives. Trump would have been thrown out of office within three hours if he pulled the shite Biden did on August 15th, and they still had the balls to defend that atrocity as a roaring success.


So yes, you did think that Kamela was going to put you in a gulag.

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Is it? I’m not saying it’s all going to be happening all at once but say between now and spring 2024… I don’t think people realize the world of shite we’re going to be in. Everyone will know in 2024 that the Republican primaries are the actual election and the general will just be a formality.



Yes man it is utter insanity. You throw out numbers wildly, with no support for any of those numbers other than literally how you feel about a situation. Please stop doing that. I know for a fact that you couldn't educate me on Sri Lanka and describe to me the political context of what created their situation. Rather, you look at the result and think it could happen everywhere because apparently all you do is look at possible results. You need to apply some rigor to your thinking man.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 5:02 pm to
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 5:06 pm to
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you were elected President in 2020 and this happened, then 90% of humanity would have been wiped out in the Northern Hemisphere by now.


You are either not reading my entire posts or are just not comprehending what I’m saying. Pootin’s death will come from his own side or from Ulrainian saboteurs; Ukrainians are Slavs and many of them speak fluent Russian.

Their ability to slip in and out of Russia with intel for the AFU has been essential for targeting high-ranking Russian military personnel, ammo depots and the like.

He is not a smart dictator. He thought that for 20 years the Russian military was being upgraded while the money was actually being siphoned off by oligarchs who were kissing his arse while robbing him.

Russia is no match for western might and Ukraine is starting to manhandle them with grade B munitions from the US. It’s only going to get worse for Pootin’ and Russia.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 5:12 pm to
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11% is very significant and China and India are also nuclear powers. I’m saying we don’t frick with any of them unless we have no other choice.



I don't know anything about wheat export markets, but I think Russia has much leverage than you think they do, given that most of their revenue is linked to oil and gas. Why would they risk losing another revenue stream, when the long-term reality is that if they do, there is the likelihood that importers could move away from buying Russian wheat in the future? They don't have unlimited leverage and actions now could end badly for them in the future.

Putin hasn't been as shrewd as his image suggests at any stage of this war, so I fully expect him to make threats about Russian wheat and then drive importers away from Russian wheat in the future. But I don't think there is catastrophe on the horizon, even with Russian threats.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39825 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 5:16 pm to
To be fair, he has been diarrhea posting since 11 am. He's driven by self-righteousness and indignance, so who knows how to stop him.

Regardless, I want Obtuse to post more about the intricacies of bridges and how to hit them. And someone who has some sense of the wheat market to post as well.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 5:18 pm to
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Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 5:25 pm to
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Seriously. I don't know why people keep entertaining OML. He's thread cancer and a hysterical fool on any number of topics. Just let him sob into the ether and scroll past his chicken little bullshite.
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 7/22/22 at 5:29 pm to
China and India hate each other and this is over a very long period of time. They are not making nice nice with each other. India has been a purchaser of nothing but Russian arms since it gained independence yet cancelled two contracts since March.

With crude oil exports, Russia is actually making $200 million per day at most. The UAE and Saudi Arabia are both buying Russian crude because it is so cheap. They are not buying with Rubbles. China has pivoted back to Saudi Arabian crude, likely due needed quality and grades, and Iran's exports to China have fallen with the cheap prices. Meanwhile Chinese teapot refineries, privately owned, are not buying crude oil since operations are way down. Europe's 3 million BPD of Russian imported crude has been replaced by 2 million BPD imports from Texas and the balance from elsewhere. That can be upped to 3 million per day by end of year as oil production in the USA climbs with 3 times the wells being drilled than the same number of rigs could drill a decade ago. 8 days as opposed to almost a month per well.

Your numbers don't mean squat on the international scene.

Now one thing missing is the closure of European refineries over the last decade and dependence on foreign imports yet Russia's refined products exports have not rebounded like everyone else since 2020. So Europe is not importing from Russia at least like it was. FWIW, European refineries shuttered was more due high cost of natural gas for fired heaters and hydrogen reformers (using methane as feedstock) required, rather than climate agenda. Some US refineries such as Valero in Meraux, LA increased diesel production for the Euro market almost a decade ago. They installed a condensate splitter to make Eagle Ford"crude" refinable and a hdyrocracker which makes a higher ratio of diesel to gasoline than a cat cracker.

Now back to my original point. There is no way that the Rubble is as strong without monkey business and anyone who understands money knows this
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