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re: Kid is interested in web development. Anyone know anything about it?

Posted on 6/8/23 at 6:04 pm to
Posted by Porpus
Covington, LA
Member since Aug 2022
2501 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 6:04 pm to
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Sounds like they’ve become a manager rather than slinging code at that point. And architecting is one thing, being a general software engineer also that won’t go anywhere. But if you lean on developing for your bread and butter, get used to using ai just like we got used to using libraries. There’s a reason for the tech layoffs, computers and reuse have begun to turn the curve of the career field. JMO



I would call them senior developers, maybe. Managers exist to take responsibility for people and results (and no computer program is doing that).

The "dirty little secret" of the software industry is that the bottom tier of coders are accomplishing very little. There are people who mostly just code, but they're not very useful. They're kept around because (at best) management is hoping they'll grow into more, or (at worst) because management wants to get things done and thinks - incorrectly - that just hiring a bunch of developers will help with that.

So, maybe in a shortsighted sense you could get rid of these less-skilled people and replace them with a computer program. It's not like my department would collapse if we fired the 2 or 3 worst developers.

The pain would be more long-term. Someone has to do the hard shite after I retire. And at a macro level, young people are reading all of this noise about AI and deciding not to learn to code. That's just going to make it more difficult to hire people.

The era of the $200,000 / year mid-level Java dev is right around the corner.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
68148 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 6:10 pm to
What's her current major?

She might consider IT/Computer Networking Technology from a community college. It's a "softer" type computer science but directly applicable to schools, business, health care, and other fields.
Posted by Porpus
Covington, LA
Member since Aug 2022
2501 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 6:18 pm to
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Exactly, it's not sexy is precisely why everyone skips over it to struggle to learn react right away or whatever the hype framework is at the time.



I started to write, "learn HTML/CSS/JS and then move on to something like React" but then I remembered exactly how fricking difficult React development actually must be for a beginner.

It kind of points out something people outside the field don't realize: predictions about automation (like AI), reuse, and fancy tooling be damned, developing software is actually getting much, much harder.

My first job, we used 4GL tools like VB or Delphi, where you could draw a form, double-click on a button, and then write a little code to define what the button does.

We are so far beyond that now. Everything is layered, multi-threaded, online (with all the attendant risks), etc.
Posted by bayouvette
Raceland
Member since Oct 2005
5277 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 7:22 pm to
To have marketable front end websites for public view you have have graphic design and great marketing sense. Without that you can't compete. Also you don't just build a site and your done. Your clients will call you constantly.

The number of languages and frameworks are just unreal and impossibleto keep track of.

Learn the concepts so you can adapt to the languages
Posted by Joev1
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2019
95 posts
Posted on 6/8/23 at 9:11 pm to
I’m a web developer in Baton Rouge. I love my job and was self taught. May want to start with HTML and CSS courses online (udemy,codecademy). From there, take a basic JavaScript course. This is enough to build basic websites, but in this day and age most websites are built using JavaScript libraries (React is a good one—also look into react bootstrap).

Best thing to do is to learn the basics just to get a feel for things and then start building projects (tic-tac-toe, to-do-list). If you get stuck, you can look up how to do things online. Knowing how to find answers online when you get stuck, whether it be through documentation or forums is the name of the game and arguably the most important skill as a developer. Even the best developers use google frequently to make sure they are staying up to date with best practice.

Good YouTube resources are NetNinja and Brad Traversy
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