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re: Justice Department: States Should Not Jail Poor People Over Fine Nonpayment
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:31 am to bhtigerfan
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:31 am to bhtigerfan
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That and ignorant.
Who is to blame for this? The kid that grows up in a dump with his grandma and goes to LA public schools?
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Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:34 am to slackster
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Fining someone $200 for speeding has a much great impact on the guy making $35,000 per year than it does on the guy making $200,000 per year. It seems if you want the fine to discourage the behavior, it would be wise to make it equally discouraging with respect to income.
they do this in some northern european countries
$1M Fine for Swede in Switzerland
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In this latest incident, the driver faces a penalty of just over $1 million for traveling at the highest speed ever recorded on a public road in Switzerland.
Nokia boss gets huge fine in Finland
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A director of the Finnish telecommunications giant, Nokia, has received what is believed to be the most expensive speeding ticket ever.
Anssi Vanjoki, 44, has been ordered to pay a fine of 116,000 euros ($103,600) after being caught breaking the speed limit on his Harley Davidson motorbike in the capital, Helsinki, in October last year.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:34 am to Artie Rome
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Right. If you are "successful" you should be able to break laws with impunity
How does "everyone paying the same fine" = "successful should be able to break laws with impunity?"
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:36 am to trom83
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It also says defendants should not be locked up without a judge first establishing that a defendant who failed to pay did so willfully.
Not showing up for court is an open affirmation of intent. Jail them, and set a cash bond for the amount of the fines and costs. On the other hand, someone that is showing up for court and making an effort, let them make payments and work with them.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:37 am to crap4brain
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How does "everyone paying the same fine" = "successful should be able to break laws with impunity?"
My response was to your statement:
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So we should punish success and reward failure? Seems like we should be doing the opposite
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:38 am to trom83
If it can be established that they didn't willfully not pay their fine, I don't have a problem with this. Fines are for people who get minor charges, so it's not like murderers are getting set free because of this. It should be the citizen's burden to prove that they couldn't pay it though.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:38 am to Artie Rome
I just feel that this would be taken advantage of and would really hurt a lot of Judicial Districts.
There are lot of courts already struggling with costs and IDB is stretched pretty thin.
Add in more community service which has to be managed and will increase costs and I don't see parishes affording this without a sales tax increase or property tax increases.
There are lot of courts already struggling with costs and IDB is stretched pretty thin.
Add in more community service which has to be managed and will increase costs and I don't see parishes affording this without a sales tax increase or property tax increases.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:41 am to theenemy
Or increase the fines so that the people that can pay the fines cover those who can't.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:43 am to heartbreakTiger
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heartbreakTiger
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how does jailing someone for not paying this make up the revenue lost? It doesn't, it just cost the tax payers more money.
Fines are alright if someone is willing to pay, if not then community service is better than locking someone up.
The fine or jail time is the result of breaking the law. It is a penalty. Just because someone is poor they should not get away with it. It is the same if someone has money, they still should pay the fine or go to jail.
I believe that if the person has a job then every effort should be made to make sure they dont lose their job.
I know a guy who got a DUI. It was his second and it required jail time (I think it was 90 days). He worked out a deal with the court to do his jail time on the weekends and he also did 12 hours every day. He would go to work, eat supper, go spend the night in jail, get released in the morning and eat breakfast and then go to work.
Why can't that happen more often?
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:43 am to theenemy
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IDB is stretched pretty thin
It is stretched to the point that it snapped. But jailing people is not the answer.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:47 am to Artie Rome
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is stretched to the point that it snapped. But jailing people is not the answer.
Ok
But again where are you going to get the money to pay costs when you allow a large part of the system to not pay.
You have to account for the lost revenue.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 11:49 am
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:49 am to theenemy
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But again where are you going to get the money to pay costs when you allow a large part of the system to not pay.
They aren't paying regardless.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:50 am to theenemy
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I just feel that this would be taken advantage of and would really hurt a lot of Judicial Districts.
I don't, particularly if the unpaid fine goes on your credit report.
In fact, when you consider the fact this would undoubtedly lower the costs of housing the person in prison, I'd think this would be a net gain for the local governments.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:50 am to theenemy
Is it fair to me to pay more in taxes because you can't/won't pay your fine?
Is it fair for the person that takes responsibility for his actions to pay a heavier fine to cover someone who can't or won't?
Is it fair for the person that takes responsibility for his actions to pay a heavier fine to cover someone who can't or won't?
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:51 am to theenemy
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Ok
But again where are you going to get the money to pay costs when you allow a large part of the system to not pay.
You have to account for the lost revenue.
That revenue is already lost in this case, so why compound it with jail time which adds more cost?
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:54 am to MSMHater
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Just put it on the credit report like everything else.
yeh that will show them...they don't have or care about credit.
maybe we should cut public assistance to the ones that don't pay or deduct it from their assistance
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:54 am to alphaandomega
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The fine or jail time is the result of breaking the law. It is a penalty. Just because someone is poor they should not get away with it. It is the same if someone has money, they still should pay the fine or go to jail.
If you're so worried about collecting the fine, garnish tax refunds for the individual. Placing them in jail is absurd.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:54 am to SabiDojo
Nothing like state sanctioned slavery.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:55 am to theenemy
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Is it fair
As a grown up, I understand that life isn't "fair."
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:57 am to theenemy
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Is it fair to me to pay more in taxes because you can't/won't pay your fine? Is it fair for the person that takes responsibility for his actions to pay a heavier fine to cover someone who can't or won't?
I think you're missing the point. By all accounts this should be a net increase in the bottom line of local governments. The people that aren't paying now end up costing the government significantly more in administrative costs by dragging it out in court and housing costs by spending time in jail.
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