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re: Justice Department: States Should Not Jail Poor People Over Fine Nonpayment
Posted on 3/14/16 at 10:49 am to Montezuma
Posted on 3/14/16 at 10:49 am to Montezuma
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Is jail for parking tickets a rational consequence? Does it serve a point, is the return greater than the cost (how much does it cost to jail someone)? I would rather public money not go to keeping jails filled on petty bullshite.
The point is for the government to prove to the individual that they hold dominion over them, it has little to do with money. This is the same reason many a jackass cop uses his "command voice" and expects total obediance for silly shite.
It is just to prove to you they are in control and you have no option other than to comply.
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Posted on 3/14/16 at 10:51 am to trom83
It makes sense. The court goes from getting revenue from fines, to instead paying expenses to jail them.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 10:52 am to theenemy
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If you don't collect fines, how do you pay for the indigent defenders board, victim assistance programs, etc?
Well you can always steal from the citizens without conviction or criminal charges via asset forfeiture.
Or just pay for it like a normal program with state tax dollars allocated from a budget.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 10:53 am to trom83
What about guys who don't pay child support?
Posted on 3/14/16 at 10:55 am to crimsonsaint
The court does not pay to jail them.
The jail is paid by parish taxes.
Fines pay for cost of having court such as IDB, victims assistance, jury expenses, etc...
The jail is paid by parish taxes.
Fines pay for cost of having court such as IDB, victims assistance, jury expenses, etc...
Posted on 3/14/16 at 10:57 am to Rantavious
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DOJ just wants to look like the good guys. I dont see this as a problem in LA courts. I have never seen anyone thrown in jail for the singular reason of inability to pay
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Posted on 3/14/16 at 10:58 am to theenemy
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If you don't enforce fines, how are you going to collect fines?
If you don't collect fines, how do you pay for the indigent defenders board, victim assistance programs, etc?
What about paying jurors? Do we take away juror day pay? Can we have jurors pack their own sack lunch?
Where does the court receive this funding? Increased taxes?
Most people pay their fines. Threats to ruin someones credit report is a legitimate one for most of society, and affirming that as the primary consequence will not cause any massive budget shortfall..
That said, millions of businesses throughout this country seem to manage their revenue cycle well enough to cover their expenses, even without the implied threat of jailing their debtors. Your municipal government should be able to do the same.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 11:00 am
Posted on 3/14/16 at 10:59 am to theenemy
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If you don't enforce fines, how are you going to collect fines
By never handing out fines to begin with. This is a step in the right direction
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:01 am to trom83
So, I can afford to pay the fine but don't want to, I go to jail, but not a poor person.
Seems legit.
Seems legit.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 11:08 am
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:01 am to bencoleman
They do have a discriminatory effect. People who live on very modest incomes can't come up with $2,000 or $3,000 on the spot or in 3 months.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:04 am to trom83
It does save money, what is the point of locking someone up for not paying a fine? instead of making a small amount on them you end having tax payers pay to house them.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:05 am to trom83
We really shouldn't jail nonviolent offenders at all.
Louisiana has a lot of public projects that need to get done. Public/Community Service should be the punishment for 1st offense, nonviolent offenses.
Louisiana has a lot of public projects that need to get done. Public/Community Service should be the punishment for 1st offense, nonviolent offenses.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:07 am to MSMHater
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Most people pay their fines. Threats to ruin someones credit report is a legitimate one for most of society, and affirming that as the primary consequence will not cause any massive budget shortfall.
All of this.
The people that would have paid their fine in the first place will continue to do so. The only difference will be that taxpayers won't be on the hook for jailing those who don't pay.
I don't really see any legitimate reason this will be a bad thing for the general public.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:10 am to Antonio Moss
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States Should Not Jail Poor People Over Fine Nonpayment by Antonio Moss
Why just poor people? Why are we punishing hard working people and letting the lazy off? Seems like it should be the other way around. Award good behavior and punish the bad.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:10 am to slackster
a better option would be if it is a fine you either pay it or you do community service. Jailing anyone that can't/refuses to pay is silly. If they can't pay you don't just let them off but you have them work it off on weekends or whenever picking up trash or what not.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:13 am to Antonio Moss
It is pretty stupid. There was I guy I worked with recently who was sent to jail for failing to pay for a DUI conviction. He was "working it off" at $30/day and it's a couple thousand dollars fine. I think he lost him job because of it.
It's kind of like, how's he supposed to pay off the fine if he's in jail and can't work? Maybe they threatened him with jail time to pay the fine and he still didn't. I don't know all the details.
It's kind of like, how's he supposed to pay off the fine if he's in jail and can't work? Maybe they threatened him with jail time to pay the fine and he still didn't. I don't know all the details.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:14 am to crap4brain
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Why just poor people? Why are we punishing hard working people and letting the lazy off?
So a poor person is lazy?
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:15 am to heartbreakTiger
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How are you going to pay your IDB, how are you going to pay victim assistance programs, how are you going to pay juror expenses?
Property tax increases? Sales tax increases?
How are you going to pay your IDB, how are you going to pay victim assistance programs, how are you going to pay juror expenses?
Property tax increases? Sales tax increases?
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:15 am to 13SaintTiger
most poor people are lazy and stupid. They wouldn't be poor if they weren't at least one of those.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:15 am to heartbreakTiger
quote:This seems like a logical solution.
a better option would be if it is a fine you either pay it or you do community service. Jailing anyone that can't/refuses to pay is silly. If they can't pay you don't just let them off but you have them work it off on weekends or whenever picking up trash or what not.
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