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re: Israel is now invading Gaza
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:07 pm to GEAUXmedic
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:07 pm to GEAUXmedic
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:10 pm to Pettifogger
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The answer, obviously, is nothing. The "we worship the same God" line is only trotted out in times like these, in a pretty weak effort to develop unity among warring factions. If we were worshipping the same God, it seems the unification would be somewhat unnecessary or at least less frequent, no?
Do you not understand that Allah and Yahweh are simply the same word in different languages. The Muslim greeting "Salaam Alaikum" is the same as the Hebrew "Shalom Aleichem". They're just different languages. It's the same god, the same people, just different religions. Would you say that Catholics and Baptists worship a different God? What about Mormons? It's all the same theist in the major monotheistic religions.
Also, I am not an Israel firster. I do not believe that the U.S. should be providing them, or any other country, with foreign aid. I have been heavily critical of their actions in this recent escalating crisis. I have often sided with Israel in conflicts, but not always, and certainly not in this one.
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:17 pm to kingbob
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Do you not understand that Allah and Yahweh are simply the same word in different languages. The Muslim greeting "Salaam Alaikum" is the same as the Hebrew "Shalom Aleichem". They're just different languages. It's the same god, the same people, just different religions. Would you say that Catholics and Baptists worship a different God? What about Mormons? It's all the same theist in the major monotheistic religions.
So you're telling me the substantive is ruled by the semantic? What?
This is all a matter of degree. Catholics and Baptists, and even LDS, arguably have more in common than Baptists and Sunnis do. Hence, I think the idea that Catholics and Baptists worship a common deity is something I'm more inclined to accept, although I don't wholesale accept that all Christians worship the same God. If you worship God under a label of Christianity, yet your God is significantly different than my interpretation of God, in a way that bears on something significant, like salvation, then no, I don't think you are worshipping the same God as I am.
As an outsider to faith, which I'm not, this would be a ridiculous concept. That's probably the most reasonable way to view it. God, to those of no faith, is an abstract concept. Starting from that perspective, the various faiths and subsets of faiths have differing attributes they put on their respective God, many of which are quite significant. Thus, to the outsider, how much sense would it make for me to say I worship God in a triune, but the Islamic Allah, not in the triune, are the same because they grew out of a shared history and share some of the same characteristics?
Anyway, I'll stop there I don't want to continue the derail.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:20 pm to kingbob
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So let's break it down:
Jews: waiting for the messiah
Christians: waiting for the messiah to come back
Muslims: waiting for out prophet to return as the messiah
actually, not really
the next Supernatural religious figure to come would be viewed:
Jews- the messiah
Muslims- the 13th Imam, savior of the world
Christian- the ANTICHRIST
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:20 pm to Pettifogger
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This is all a matter of degree. Catholics and Baptists, and even LDS, arguably have more in common than Baptists and Sunnis
Have you ever been to North Louisiana? You might as well be in Riyadh
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Thus, to the outsider, how much sense would it make for me to say I worship God in a triune, but the Islamic Allah, not in the triune, are the same because they grew out of a shared history and share some of the same characteristics?
But the trinity only exists in the Christian tradition. There is no triune in Judaism or Islam, only 1/3, The Father. The Father is the same in every religion.
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Anyway, I'll stop there I don't want to continue the derail.
Well, it was fun while it lasted.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:21 pm to Pettifogger
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Alright, sorry, I just get sidetracked when the same trite statements always come out during these events.
I understand but come on. Stop giving a shite what others say. If you do give a shite there's a couple threads on the poly board for y'all..
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:21 pm to Pettifogger
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Alright, sorry, I just get sidetracked when the same trite statements always come out during these events.
I understand but come on. Stop giving a shite what others say. If you do give a shite there's a couple threads on the poly board for y'all..
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:22 pm to kingbob
Shhhhh be quiet. No one is going to listen to your rational thoughts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:24 pm to kingbob
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Well, it was fun while it lasted.
Agreed we'll fire it up again sometime
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:24 pm to kingbob
Abraham had two sons. Ones descendants were Jews the other Muslims. Both think they are the chosen people and entitled to Jerusalem.
Aaaand scene.
They will be fighting forever bc neither will concede their most holy land.
I'm pulling for the Jews.
Aaaand scene.
They will be fighting forever bc neither will concede their most holy land.
I'm pulling for the Jews.
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:26 pm to kingbob
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God acts to free them from the Egyptians where they had been enslaved.
uh, they left Israel to live in Egypt for work and food. Israel was barren and Egypt was prosperous with the Nile..they were not slaves, there's no record of them ever being slaves in Egypt.
Haaertz-jewish newspaper discussing this
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:28 pm to Sir Drinksalot
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Abraham had two sons. Ones descendants were Jews the other Muslims. Both think they are the chosen people and entitled to Jerusalem.
which was born first?
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:29 pm to Iona Fan Man
Which one was a bastard?
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:30 pm to Iona Fan Man
The oldest one I think
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:32 pm to Iona Fan Man
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uh, they left Israel to live in Egypt for work and food. Israel was barren and Egypt was prosperous with the Nile..they were not slaves, there's no record of them ever being slaves in Egypt.
They were not slaves for the first generation. However, after the death of Joseph, the new pharaoh came to fear the Jews, who had risen to prominence and power. He had heard of a prophesy of a Jew who would destroy his dynasty. He acted by murdering the first born male of every Jewish household. From then on, they were slaves until Moses grew up and eventually freed them.
There is archaeological evidence for this to be found in Egypt with the Hyksos expulsion, seals bearing the name of Jacob, ect. There are even tapestries depicting the journey of many of the Jews out of Egypt by boat while the majority left by land.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:32 pm to Iona Fan Man
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which was born first?
The one whose mother was a whore.....n/m
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:39 pm to kingbob
So, their own religious text just tells them that they are better than everyone else? How unlike any other religion that is, and what fantastic rationale for stealing someone else's home not once, but twice. 
Only over time did it become this way. Originally. Allah was the head god of what was a well-practices polytheistic religion of the day, before it was usurped by Islam. So basically, they worship Zeus.
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Do you not understand that Allah and Yahweh are simply the same word in different languages
Only over time did it become this way. Originally. Allah was the head god of what was a well-practices polytheistic religion of the day, before it was usurped by Islam. So basically, they worship Zeus.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:41 pm to UL-SabanRival
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and what fantastic rationale for stealing someone else's home not once, but twice.
It's actually 4 times
1. Abraham
2. Exodus
3. end of Babylonian Exile
4. post World War II
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:43 pm to UL-SabanRival
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UL-SabanRival
SHUT THE frick UP. please
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:51 pm to Iona Fan Man
Ok so god tells Abraham, your son will inherit the land and is the chosen son...Sarah (his wife) is like eleventy billion years old so old Abe shacks up with another lady and knocks her up. Then OMG old Sarah gets knocked up too.
Jews come from sarah
Jews come from sarah
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 5:56 pm
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