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re: Is white privilege a real thing?

Posted on 7/19/16 at 11:11 am to
Posted by Box Geauxrilla
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 7/19/16 at 11:11 am to
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I knew a white girl named Tyrrell that couldn't get ANY job interviews with that name. She started putting her middle name (Ann) and got more immediately. So maybe it exists.


Maybe they knew she came from terrible genetics if her parents gave her that awful name.

I wouldn't hire anybody named Jimmy-bob either so it goes both ways.
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 11:12 am
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
44860 posts
Posted on 7/19/16 at 11:20 am to
My privilege was having parents that loved and cared for my siblings and I. My dad worked his tail off to provide an upbringing that would give us a good home-life and opportunity to go to college. We fricked around in college and didn't take the opportunity seriously enough. Now I work in a totally unrelated field than what my degree is in but I have a great job and wonderful family of my own. Oh, and my boss is African American.

The only "privilege" I had was my father's dedication to me, regardless of what color he and I are. To say that I had white privilege is an insult to my dad's hard work and his family legacy.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/19/16 at 11:24 am to
post her name so i can set her straight about black priviledge.


BP is when you can just spew shite out of your mouth and its immediately a fact. Its also when you just pop out babies to collect more gov money.


"Black Priviledge!"
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 7/19/16 at 11:36 am to
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My privilege was having parents that loved and cared for my siblings and I. My dad worked his tail off to provide an upbringing that would give us a good home-life and opportunity to go to college.


Actually, you are almost there. That you had a male figure in your life who helped to provide structure and a male role model is a legitimate part of your white privilege. Statistically speaking you would have been less likely to have this figure if you had been born black, and you therefore would have been less likely to succeed.

Recognizing this does not belittle the work that your father did, nor does it absolve personal responsibility of a black person born without a father figure. It recognizes an issue in the black community, created in part by historical racial interaction, that needs to be addressed.

There is much debate and as far as I can tell no real understanding on how to solve these issues. And really this gets very complicated in various manifestations of white privilege and proposed solutions, so I will just leave it there for now.
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 12:02 pm
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 7/19/16 at 1:34 pm to
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Statistically speaking you would have been less likely to have this figure if you had been born black, and you therefore would have been less likely to succeed.
So then the issue isn't with me being "privileged" because I'm white. The issue is with black children being "underprivileged" because a lot of black fathers (biological) are bums. That doesn't make the me privileged. And yes the term privileged is used to shame whites as if they're unfairly receiving good fortune simply because of their race. Why don't we try to raise the level of those in need instead of blaming and tearing down those who have worked hard and loved their offspring?
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:04 pm to
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That doesn't make the me privileged.


Yes, it does. Privilege is a relative term. It doesn't exist without the comparison of you having it better off than other people. Refusing to admit that you have had privileges, in other words advantages, that others didn't that you personally didn't work for is dishonest. I had many advantages that even most white people don't have. I don't feel guilty about them. I am grateful.

It is worth noting again that this is more of a statistical observation about populations. Just because an individual is a certain race does not mean that individual had it better or worse than an individual of another race. It does mean that the individual is more likely to have had a particular set of difficulties and disadvantages.

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So then the issue isn't with me being "privileged" because I'm white. The issue is with black children being "underprivileged" because a lot of black fathers (biological) are bums.


The genesis of these problems are rooted in slavery and 100 years of living as third class citizens after that that instilled a cycle and culture of poverty, disenfranchisement, and broken homes. Again, this doesn't absolve black individuals of personal responsibility, but it does give the overall issues of society social context.

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And yes the term privileged is used to shame whites as if they're unfairly receiving good fortune simply because of their race.


Like many things the discussion becomes dishonest, dumbed down, and manipulative by either side when it is politicized. It is a mistake to judge an idea by the idiots and politicians.

Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
64828 posts
Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:11 pm to
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Again, this doesn't absolve black individuals of personal responsibility


only thing i comprehended from that crappy post
Posted by monkeybutt
Member since Oct 2015
4584 posts
Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:14 pm to
Anyone who is going to frame anything around it being a privilege to have a father that actually raises you is just I just cannot fathom that kind of logic
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25424 posts
Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:24 pm to
Then you are stupid, and there is no helping you. This is common sense simple stuff. You are just too caught up in the emotional manipulation.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
64828 posts
Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:26 pm to
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Then you are stupid, and there is no helping you. This is common sense simple stuff. You are just too caught up in the emotional manipulation.




no I am actually not caught up in it.

explain how people come from africa and in a week they own a grocery store and speak perfect english.

AAs don't want to progress. they just want free shite.

in fact they want white people to be their slaves.

frick off with this compassionate shite that time has come and passed
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 2:28 pm
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25424 posts
Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:27 pm to
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Anyone who is going to frame anything around it being a privilege to have a father that actually raises you is just I just cannot fathom that kind of logic


You lack the self awareness to be grateful for the gifts that you have. Assuming you were born healthy, that is another privilege that you have over many people who aren't and have to struggle with disabilities. But then you can't understand the logic that some people have it worse than you l, and it is beyond the control. So self centered.
Posted by monkeybutt
Member since Oct 2015
4584 posts
Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:30 pm to
You're just framing everything the way you want to frame it to give excuses for some. Why not frame it that people with disabilities are privileged to not be ants that get stepped on? Everyone is privileged when you frame it to the extreme.
This post was edited on 7/19/16 at 2:31 pm
Posted by NorthTiger
Upper 40
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:32 pm to
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There is absolutely nothing stopping anyone from achieving their dreams.



So every person from a low socio economic environment has the same opportunities as every other child. I'm not saying individuals can't break out of poverty but you are saying everyone has an equal shot.
Posted by yoga girl
Member since Dec 2015
3691 posts
Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:33 pm to
Experts in sociology most agree that there is white privilege.

I don't have it, but it is there at a societal level.
Posted by monkeybutt
Member since Oct 2015
4584 posts
Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:33 pm to
And also, fathers raising their children is a choice. If you're going to frame white privilege in that manner, you must acknowledge that there was a choice made to not raise a child. This is a bit different than framing the privilege argument in terms of being born healthy vs disabilities. But you know this
Posted by monkeybutt
Member since Oct 2015
4584 posts
Posted on 7/19/16 at 2:34 pm to
Don't infect this thread with your crazy.
Posted by Tempratt
Member since Oct 2013
14888 posts
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:09 pm to
No, it isn't.

It should be called "don't be a shithead and frick up your life" privilege.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
44860 posts
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:53 pm to
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Yes, it does. Privilege is a relative term. It doesn't exist without the comparison of you having it better off than other people
Privilege is relative and it means rights or immunity that are granted to you. I am privileged because my father is a great family man not because we are white. To try to tie racial statistics in is typical of the blame others mentality. I agree that children without fathers and male role models in their life have it tough. I've always said all education, poverty, crime, etc deficits can be linked to that one statistic. It would be great if a movement of strengthening the family dynamic would occur instead of trying to tear down the families that have done it right.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
44860 posts
Posted on 7/19/16 at 3:55 pm to
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Experts in sociology most agree that there is white privilege.
Yea no sociologists are liberal or would slant their opinions that way
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
64828 posts
Posted on 7/19/16 at 4:50 pm to
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Experts in sociology most agree that there is white privilege.

I don't have it, but it is there at a societal level.





quit huffin those chemtrails girl
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