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re: Is white privilege a real thing?
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:39 am to trom83
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:39 am to trom83
White Anglo-Saxon Protestant culture has been the dominant culture in the U.S. since day one. Our cultural norms--of right, wrong, truth, beauty, law, worship, education, art, history, literature, philosophy, political and economic power and on and on and on--have been the dominant norms.
In turn, we created the rules of the game--and the rules have tended, historically, to favor us (wow, who would believe ...).
Now, other cultures in our emerging multi-cultural society are challenging the assumptions we have assumed to be immutable truths since the founding of our country.
Hence the concept of white privilege.
In turn, we created the rules of the game--and the rules have tended, historically, to favor us (wow, who would believe ...).
Now, other cultures in our emerging multi-cultural society are challenging the assumptions we have assumed to be immutable truths since the founding of our country.
Hence the concept of white privilege.
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Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:39 am to GammaPro
quote:So you think a middle class suburban living black family faces no ill will or negative judgment because they're black?
Aren't privileges usually granted as a reward for right behavior? So, if a culture feels like they lack the privileges of another, maybe they should look within themselves?
Not sure what you're trying to say.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:40 am to shel311
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Exactly, and I'm glad as a white person, I don't have that issue.
you can
dress/act like that and people will judge you just as harshly
it's not about race; it's about cultural projections
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You're missing the point, obviously.
no you're avoiding my point
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My point is, hell you touched on it above, some upstanding black citizens are treated poorly based on the exact group of black people you talked about.
how many who get treated poorly look like this?
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:41 am to AlwysATgr
quote:I think he phrased it incorrectly.
I don't think this proves anything. This is more of how comfortable are you being who God created you.
If you're white, don't say whether you'd trade for being black, but would you trade to be traded like a black person comparable to your social or economic status? If not, why? If so, do you not think you'd be treated any differently?
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:41 am to shel311
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Not sure what you're trying to say
I'm generalizing. That's why I said culture.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:42 am to shel311
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No one is disagreeing but you're actually making the case FOR white privilege, not sure if you realize that or you actually are stating white prvilege exists?
my argument is that we should speak about it in terms of "black disadvantage"
if one culture (which isn't dependent on race, mind you) has shown to be superior, then why do we want to punish that culture to subsidize, promote, and normalize cultures that have proven to be less optimal?
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:42 am to geaux88
I was once in a "diversity" meeting. I told a story about a black guy that I knew. I Told everyone about his qualifications, his work ethic, his veteran status, and ultimately handing out 100 resumes and not getting one call back.
I asked what the major factor was in the lack of responses from the meeting attendees. The universal response was racism.
Then I shared that it wasn't a black guy the story was about, it was me. I'm as white as it gets.
At what point does a situation go to racism. If a white guy is an a-hole to me he's just an a-hole. If that same guy is an a-hole to a black dude, he's a racist. Maybe he's just an a-hole to everyone.
As far as white privilege goes, if anyone of any color had followed my same path in life I'm sure they would have achieved the same results. Probably even better.
I asked what the major factor was in the lack of responses from the meeting attendees. The universal response was racism.
Then I shared that it wasn't a black guy the story was about, it was me. I'm as white as it gets.
At what point does a situation go to racism. If a white guy is an a-hole to me he's just an a-hole. If that same guy is an a-hole to a black dude, he's a racist. Maybe he's just an a-hole to everyone.
As far as white privilege goes, if anyone of any color had followed my same path in life I'm sure they would have achieved the same results. Probably even better.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:43 am to 13SaintTiger
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white people are at the top of the totem pole
asians (from various countries) are at the top of the US totem pole
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:43 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You say that all the time and I LOL all the time when someone makes a terribly racist comment on this board and gets 42 up votes and 2 down votes.
it's not about race; it's about cultural projections
quote:So you think a middle income black family is treated no worse in their day to day lives than a comparable white family?
how many who get treated poorly look like this?
You have such a blind spot on this topic, it's crazy.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:44 am to Maverick01
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You come from a nuclear family
which should be celebrated
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Being privileged passing judgment on the underprivileged makes you look like a sanctimonious prick.
what is wrong with criticizing sub-optimal choices that make people underprivileged?
isn't the whole point to say "that's bad and we should marginalized that behavior"?
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I don't care how successful you are, in their eyes you will always be reduced to your skin color
shut up. this kind of lie is only about a degree below racist comments
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:45 am to eitek1
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At what point does a situation go to racism.
Studies on your above subject suggest that having perceived African American names decreases your chances of getting calls back from job applications despite identical qualifications
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:45 am to shel311
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So you think a middle class suburban living black family faces no ill will or negative judgment because they're black?
i think this is largely a myth
note: there are always outlier examples you can provide, and these can exist with white people, too
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:45 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:That's fine, it's just semantics to the greater point, but ok.
my argument is that we should speak about it in terms of "black disadvantage"
quote:The point you're missing is it seems that you think only the saggy pants with the XXXL wearing shirt black guy is treated negatively. While of course they're probably treated worse proportionately, the middle class black dude isn't treated exactly the same as me, I'm not naive enough to think that.
if one culture (which isn't dependent on race, mind you) has shown to be superior, then why do we want to punish that culture to subsidize, promote, and normalize cultures that have proven to be less optimal?
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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how many who get treated poorly look like this?
I'm one scarf away from being a "Carlton". And I've been called N-eye-gee-gee-er multiple times, accused of stealing, watched waiters collude to who didn't want to serve me, my initial job was one I did not want that they chose me for based on "diversity", the list goes on. I mean, it doesn't bother me none and I don't use those excuses. I make awesome money and am more educated than hammertime and majority of the board, and have an awesome family. But that doesn't mean I have to deny realities.
This post was edited on 7/9/16 at 11:47 am
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:47 am to shel311
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You say that all the time and I LOL all the time when someone makes a terribly racist comment on this board and gets 42 up votes and 2 down votes.
people have expanded the concept of "racism" to an absurd degree
the comment likely wasn't racist at all and described a particular example/behavior that is lower class
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So you think a middle income black family is treated no worse in their day to day lives than a comparable white family?
by and large? yes
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You have such a blind spot on this topic, it's crazy.
nope i just live around successful black people who are treated like everyone else
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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asians (from various countries) are at the top of the US totem pole
Worldwide, no one is treated better than whites slo.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:49 am to shel311
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it's just semantics to the greater point
not at all
the larger point is what we do about the current situation. do we
1. attack the superior culture and defend the inferior culture
2. defend the superior culture and attack the inferior culture
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the middle class black dude isn't treated exactly the same as me,
IF this occurs, it's b/c of the XXXL wearing shirt black guy and NOT white people
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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what is wrong with criticizing sub-optimal choices that make people underprivileged?
isn't the whole point to say "that's bad and we should marginalized that behavior"?
How many years have whites had basic human rights in this country, and how many years have blacks had basic human rights? I'll wait
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:50 am to 13SaintTiger
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I'm one scarf away from being a "Carlton". And I've been called N-eye-gee-gee-er multiple times, accused of stealing, watched waiters collude to who didn't want to serve me, my initial job was one I did not want that they chose me for based on "diversity", the list goes on.
and listen
that sucks
and i understand, b/c i'm part of a more discriminated group (especially given my location)
i'm in no way defending that sort of irrationality. i'm just trying to put the blame on the right group more than anything
Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:51 am to Maverick01
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Who gives a shite that there are laws in place to govern discrimination when the legal system favors whites and the rich. You're truly naive if you think the existence of laws equates to compliance. It wasn't until the 1960's that legislation passed to even protect blacks under the law from discrimination, and you act like that's some milestone fricking achievement. You can't give people rights they already inherently have. Now lets talk about all the things that were denied to blacks up to that point. Lets talk about the lynchings and exploitation. You think legislation that was passed less than 60 years ago makes up for over 250 years of atrocities? You think that wipes the slate clean. I guess it does wipe the slate clean if it's a white man doing the wiping. Pay my ancestors for their labor that they were never compensated for. If you think letting blacks use the same fricking water fountain as you and treating them like more than livestock entitles you to a pat on the back then you're in for a rude awakening. Quite honestly, the worst thing that we could have done as black people was integrate. Black wall street is a perfect example of how a separatist ideology worked to our advantage as blacks, and lo and behold white people saw to it that all that progress was put to a screeching halt. They burned those businesses to the ground. The playing field isn't close to being even.
You never really addressed that you have access to all these things in today society, yet hold onto a past you have no part of. I see where your mind is.
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