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re: Is vaping as bad as the experts now say?

Posted on 9/7/19 at 12:46 am to
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 9/7/19 at 12:46 am to
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Anything, other than oxygen, that you put in your lungs is not good for you. It's just common sense.



Putting pure oxygen exclusively in your lungs is a bad idea.



As for the effects of e-cigs vs cigarettes, little is really known, but most of the places I have looked since one of the Pulmonary publications (I think it was CHEST in around 8/2015 but could not find exactly what I was thinking of, then got lazy) first described it is that there is a high incidence of dual-use of cigarettes and vaping, something between 65 and 85% from what I recall and depending on the article in question.
The article was basically, "should we, doctors, recommend e-cigarettes as a smoking cessation tool?"
The answer at the time, and from the most recent time I reviewed it which has probably been near a year ago, was, "most people will still use both, so recommending it to all as an effective therapy probably isn't best" and the other was something like, "the product is so unregulated and the use of cigarettes in this population is so high, and the product is so new that long term data that is good quality is a long way off to really determine cancer and COPD rates vs smoking cigarettes"


When people ask, I'll often tell them that it's probably not worse than a cigarette though it could very easily eventually be associated with its own certain handful of unique problems, and realistically most people that do try to use it to quit smoking do wind up still doing both.


Someone earlier mentioned the recent bout of lung injuries from vaping- the State Medical Board actually had a little release on the matter recently, but the nail was already pretty much hit on the head- it seems to be a Vitamin E acetate product that vaporizes then solidifies in the lungs, and it has really been associated just with THC-containing...what do you call them? Juices, cartridges, products, etc? That is simply a theory though, and it is not certain yet.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
31459 posts
Posted on 9/7/19 at 1:19 am to
I've taken care of two people who have had injuries from juul in the past 3 months.

I mean the unregulated stuff off the streets is obvious. But it's not just unregulated things.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 9/7/19 at 4:30 am to
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re we still talking about your vape? Because if not, that would be crazy.



Same here, I'll quit one day. Just like I did cigarettes.

Hmmmm


Yeah, I was thinking about that joke when I made that comment.

I'm not promoting it or saying it's any less addictive. It isn't. Truth be told, if my addiction to nicotine is going to be what kills me, I'd rather it be my lungs than oral cancer and be disfigured before I die. I wouldn't recommend anyone start vaping on it's own merits.
Posted by Nicky Parrish
Member since Apr 2016
7098 posts
Posted on 9/7/19 at 5:36 am to
How could inhaling thick vaporized liquids usually containing propylene glycol, glycerin, nicotine, flavorings, additives, and differing amounts of contaminants deep into your lungs be bad for you.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
46165 posts
Posted on 9/7/19 at 5:41 am to
Dont smoke or vape but if I had to choose to be around someone doing one or the other it is vaping everytime.
Posted by ChenierauTigre
Dreamland
Member since Dec 2007
34654 posts
Posted on 9/7/19 at 5:51 am to
When vaping first was introduced, I thought about the dangers of inhaling water vapor into the lungs. As a microbiology major, I automatically think about fungal disease.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 9/7/19 at 6:04 am to
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You trust the OT over the science based findings?

Let me guess...MAGA?




Let me guess...piece of shite?
Posted by GhostofRicht
Member since Sep 2019
62 posts
Posted on 9/7/19 at 6:24 am to
The problem isn't that vaping is bad for you. It is all the bullshite they put into the carts/juices that ends up being bad for you. It is like blaming a car maker (ford) for it driving like shite, when in reality the problem is the tires. When companies are not doing proper purifying on their extracts, that is when the problems arise.

Look at vaping weed. You won't see a problem in the weed vaping community because it is hard to frick up the weed without the user not knowing (generally speaking). However there is a problem when you get to the weed cartridges, which can experience the same problems as tobacco vapers, and that is from the vape juice/oil having bullshite in it. Not from the actual vaping.
Posted by fischd1
Mandeville
Member since Dec 2007
3199 posts
Posted on 9/7/19 at 7:59 am to
Anything you smoke that has a burning end on it is bad for you.
Posted by JawjaTigah
On the Bandwagon
Member since Sep 2003
22759 posts
Posted on 9/7/19 at 8:00 am to
Just as disgusting, I hate driving thru a just-exhaled cloud of vape smoke an some intersection.
Posted by t00f
Not where you think I am
Member since Jul 2016
100336 posts
Posted on 9/7/19 at 8:24 am to
This vaping has togo. Can’t stand being next to a guy blowing vape smoke in my face. You gotta vape, take that shite outside.
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
30979 posts
Posted on 9/7/19 at 8:25 am to
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Idk but its worse than weed


What about weed vaping?
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
30816 posts
Posted on 9/7/19 at 8:55 am to
There’s a scientific study that says vaping is 95% healthier than smoking. All of the other info coming out I feel like is propaganda funded by the tobacco industry
Posted by AU66
Northport Al
Member since Sep 2006
3302 posts
Posted on 9/7/19 at 10:50 am to
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here’s a scientific study that says vaping is 95% healthier than smoking. All of the other info coming out I feel like is propaganda funded by the tobacco industry


Its much more than this, we have developed a culture that has has been propagandized against anything that even remotely resembles smoking,no matter what is obvious in front of them, that millions vape but all the anti vaping lobby can find is a few out liers and vaping now is entering its third decade. Even with that massive sample size the propanganda has filled their minds ( half this board) they cant see the huge benefits and the lives vaping has saved... and by the way to you virulant anti vapors most dont do it because they are addicted its because they enjoy it.
This post was edited on 9/7/19 at 11:00 am
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
97094 posts
Posted on 9/7/19 at 11:01 am to
My opinion is if you do it socially like say vape when you drink it’s probably better than smoking.

Doing it daily can’t be good for you. Inhaling water vapor constantly can’t do your lungs any good, too much fluid build up
Posted by joeleblanc
Member since Jan 2012
4114 posts
Posted on 9/7/19 at 12:13 pm to
Tell me how inhaling nothing but chemicals is ok for your lungs. Not asking for a friend
Posted by td1
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
3080 posts
Posted on 9/7/19 at 12:52 pm to
I overheard someone the other day going on about how bad the propylene glycol was and that is was making people sick. Problem with that argument is that it has been used in nebulizers and inhalers since the 50s. I didn’t say anything but almost wanted to tell them that it is probably the safest thing in them!

The jury is still out officially on the long term effects but it has to be better than smoking.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 9/7/19 at 2:44 pm to
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I've taken care of two people who have had injuries from juul in the past 3 months.

I mean the unregulated stuff off the streets is obvious. But it's not just unregulated things.



Well, the whole industry is mostly unregulated. I didn't mean to suggest that lung injury wasn't possible with the "mainstream" stuff, and I shortened my post because I get awfully wordy.

It wouldn't surprise me if a few major brands while tweaking delivery systems, juices (again, is that what they're called?), wind up accidentally discovering a new irritant or dangerous combination of them. Calling them "safe" would not be accurate. I don't think that "safer than cigarettes" is even a great moniker for now. Maybe one day we could say that. But I think there's a big difference between, "we know they're not as bad as cigarettes" vs "we don't know that they're worse." The latter is where I believe we stand today.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
12802 posts
Posted on 9/7/19 at 4:26 pm to
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Anything, other than oxygen, that you put in your lungs is not good for you. It's just common sense.

You do realize, that you breath in more nitrogen than anything else, right?
Posted by Clockwatcher68
Youngsville
Member since May 2006
7280 posts
Posted on 9/7/19 at 4:28 pm to
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You trust the OT over the science based findings?

Let me guess...MAGA?


Okay, how many genders are there?
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