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re: Is PB&J not allowed in school anymore?
Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:33 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:33 pm to lsufball19
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Tell that to a toddler or small child and see how that works out
Parents can't be there at daycare/school all day to make sure their kid is "accountable." My kids don't have allergies that I'm aware of, but some of y'all act as if a child's mind operates like an adult mind and they should be held to the same standards
You missed the bigger discussion. Of course it is not up for the toddler decide in this specific situation. But what I'm saying is this debate is a microcosm of a greater debate in society. Is it the majority's duty to change their behaviors to adapt to the demands of the minority? Or is it incumbent upon the minority to adapt their behaviors to function among the majority?
Obviously a parent can be at daycare/school to ensure their child is avoiding risk. But the accountability is on the PARENTS...on the front end. Meaning I either find a setting that can accommodate my child's issue OR I allow my child to go to the school, but explain to the school and my child they are not allowed to participate with the rest of the class in activities that present a substantial risk.
I have a young child with a dairy allergy. She is the only one in her class of 31 with such issue. Milk is served at lunch at the school. There is no prohibition on kids taking dairy products to school in their lunches. Now, should I demand the class not offer milk to the other 30 students in the class and prohibit dairy products solely to accommodate my child? Or is it my responsibility to take steps to ensure my child doesn't eat/drink dairy products? For me, it is the latter. It would be the height of selfishness to demand the entire class adjust their behavior to find the needs of one. So I take accountability to drill into my child that she cannot have dairy and to also make the teachers/staff well aware of the allergy and the prohibition. I, as the child's parent, avoid the risk of milk being served to her with the school lunch by making sure she brings her own lunch to school without any dairy products and does not receive a school lunch. If there is a risk of her eating dairy from another child's lunch I tell the teacher to sit her away from the crowd. On the occasions when the class has an ice cream party the teachers call/email me ahead of time to let me know it is taking place. That way I can make sure she goes to school with a non-dairy snack but still be a part of the party.
Does that create an extra burden on me and her? Yep. Do I wish that wasn't the case? Absolutely! But the the one thing I wouldn't even consider doing is demand the class not have ice cream parties or that the class not have the option of dairy products. That's not the classes/majority's burden. Yet, there are many parents who would do just that!
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 2:47 pm
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:35 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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There is still a stark difference in saying nobody will be able to have XYZ because of whatever school policy around school disruption/sugar rush/ or whatever, and saying since John Q is allergic to XYZ, nobody will be able to have or bring anything to school that contains any traces of XYZ, even though normally they would be able to.
why do you think this is such a stark difference? You're dictating what kids and can't eat in both situations. One is to protect other kids' health, the other is to not make kids feel bad that some are getting junk food while others aren't
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when there are plenty of other options to accommodate that issue
How do you accommodate the issue realistically for a child? Put all the kids with allergies into a special class away from kids with no allergies?
Or maybe the simplest option is to not allow nuts at school. There are thousands of other food options. I can assure you the kids not getting PBJ at lunch don't care or notice, and it's not difficult for parent to pack something for lunch that isn't peanut butter.
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:36 pm to LouisianaLady
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LouisianaLady
A question I'll ask you (since you're interested in a brief dialogue on the issue, not that you've indicated any position on this question or anything)
Let's all say we agree that there is a period in which it is okay to ban all peanut products from a school or any type of school sponsored event where there may be students that are allergic to them will be, at what point does that end? Meaning, how old do they have to be before that is no longer a policy or is it a policy until they are 18?
I can understand policies for pre-schools and toddlers are going to be different than elementary or middle school. We don't know the age of the OP, but what is the point that such a thing would no longer factor in and be a policy?
Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:36 pm to Alt26
You are a responsible parent. And are teaching your child to be responsible and careful. This is the way it should be. And what I’d do.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:39 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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t what point does that end? Meaning, how old do they have to be before that is no longer a policy or is it a policy until they are 18?
I think once a kid is old enough to be responsible with an epi-pen and know how to stay away from those products. (are kids even allowed to carry those ion their person at school because that is certainly relevant) middle school seems fair. But I do think it would also be on the schools to properly sanitize lunch tables and whatnot as well.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:44 pm to Alt26
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I have a young child with a dairy allergy. She is the only one in her class of 31 with such issue. Milk is served at lunch at the school. There is no prohibition on kids taking dairy products to school in their lunches. Now, should I demand the class not offer milk to the other 30 students in the class and prohibit dairy products solely to accommodate my child? Or is it my responsibility to take steps to ensure my child doesn't eat/drink dairy products? For me, it is the latter. It would be the height of selfishness to demand the entire class adjust their behavior to find the needs of one. So I take accountability to drill into my child that she cannot have dairy and to also make the teachers/staff well aware of the allergy and the prohibition. I, as the child's parent, avoid the risk of milk being served to her with the school lunch by making sure she brings her own lunch to school without any dairy products and does not receive a school lunch. If there is a risk of her eating dairy from another child's lunch I tell the teacher to sit her away from the crowd. On the occasions when the class has an ice cream party the teachers call/email me ahead of time to let me know it is taking place. That way I can make sure she goes to school with a non-dairy snack but still be a part of the party. The one thing I wouldn't even consider doing is demand the class not have an ice cream party or that the class not have the option of dairy products. Yet, there are many parents who would do just that!
I think you've kind of leaped to a conclusion here. That there are all these parents demanding the school ban food products. The thread was started asking since when did schools start doing this. Other chimed in and said it was dumb. Lets pretend your daughter's daycare didn't allow or serve dairy products at school. You would be ok with that right? And it would relieve a lot of your stress right?
Schools largely ban things like peanuts because more kids have them and they don't want to risk being sued because some kid eats something at school they shouldn't.
Honestly, it seems like I see more outrage from the side not being able send their kids to school with peanut butter than the parents who had kids with the allergies.
As said before, I have kids. My daughter is three. She doesn't have food allergies, thankfully. Her daycare doesn't allow ANY outside food (they provide lunch/snacks there) and don't serve nuts/dairy at school. Do I care? No. If they did and one day changed their policy, would I care? Also no. Why? Because I'm an adult and can modify my behavior of something I wouldn't even call an inconvenience without it being a big deal. I don't want to have to instill potential life and death personal responsibility to a toddler. It's a big enough task getting them to shite in a toilet. If I had a kid with a severe food allergy and the daycare allowed those foods, I'd probably find a care facility that didn't. It seems pretty common-place now, however, for nuts not to be allowed at school and that, for whatever reason, irrationally pisses off some parents. I don't get it.
Hell, I can't even remember the last time an airline served peanuts, which used to be the standard snack served. I thought most people had grown accustomed to certain places having food allergy policies. I guess not.
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:59 pm to lsufball19
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why do you think this is such a stark difference? You're dictating what kids and can't eat in both situations. One is to protect other kids' health, the other is to not make kids feel bad that some are getting junk food while others aren't
Banning items because they are a disruption to the classroom environment and banning items because someone else is allergic to them are very different things. I also said i'm against both practices, but the reasoning behind banning them is very very different.
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How do you accommodate the issue realistically for a child? Put all the kids with allergies into a special class away from kids with no allergies?
That is pretty much how it is done many places already. If the allergy is so severe that the child can't be around the items in any capacity, you separate them from it and sanitize what is needed.
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Or maybe the simplest option is to not allow nuts at school. There are thousands of other food options. I can assure you the kids not getting PBJ at lunch don't care or notice, and it's not difficult for parent to pack something for lunch that isn't peanut butter.
Is that the simplest option? There are lots of allergies out there that can be fatal. Which ones do we accomodate and which ones don't we?
Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:59 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Good question. To be honest, I don't know when exactly that time comes, but I do agree there comes a time where the kids can manage it on their own. I don't think it should be a rule until they're 18.
Most schools these days serve the sunbutter alternative (PB sandwiches don't even exist on school menus beyond the elementary years anyway), and most middle schoolers/teens aren't going to be caught dead with a PB sandwich from Mom in the first place, so I assume the issue corrects itself without much effort on the school's part.
Most schools these days serve the sunbutter alternative (PB sandwiches don't even exist on school menus beyond the elementary years anyway), and most middle schoolers/teens aren't going to be caught dead with a PB sandwich from Mom in the first place, so I assume the issue corrects itself without much effort on the school's part.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 3:07 pm to LouisianaLady
Thanks for the response, and yours as well 19. I don't know that answer either but does seem to be a relevant one to the OP's story as to how old they actually are. Posted on 5/28/24 at 3:23 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Banning items because they are a disruption to the classroom environment and banning items because someone else is allergic to them are very different things. I also said i'm against both practices, but the reasoning behind banning them is very very different.
There may be different reasonings behind each, but the overarching issue is not very very different. I can also assure you that tasking each and every teacher at that school to protect children from becoming exposed to allergens (as well as a kid having an allergic reaction while at school) is every bit as disruptive as little johnny having a sugar high
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That is pretty much how it is done many places already
No, it's not. Most schools simply don't allow those common food allergies to be present at school. That is what has become common-place
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Is that the simplest option?
Yes. Do you have kids? Serious question. I can promise you not packing PBJ is not something I'd even blink at. It's no different than me choosing not to give my kid junk food. I simply buy something different at the grocery store
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 5/28/24 at 4:42 pm to Deuces
When I was a lad I would eat PB&J at my elementary school on a weekly basis.
One day they decided to go with a cheaper option that tasted anything like peanut butter.
The school district paid six figures for a turf football field but couldnt afford decent peanut butter.
One day they decided to go with a cheaper option that tasted anything like peanut butter.
The school district paid six figures for a turf football field but couldnt afford decent peanut butter.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 5:05 pm to Deuces
My youngest is off the charts peanut allergy. Found out the hard way early on. Epipens at school and with him at all times. Have to replace every 6 months and they are not cheap.
To this day, reaction when in a smaller space and someone has peanut butter. Catch it quick enough, Benadryl and quick shower curbs the reaction. His school does not limit peanut butter but has a peanut free table. However, kids don’t really understand the implications.
Haven’t had a jar of peanut butter in the house in over a decade, have to check every label when shopping. Bought a frozen lemonade at a baseball game and happened to check on off chance. Processed with peanuts. It’s a day to day challenge.
To this day, reaction when in a smaller space and someone has peanut butter. Catch it quick enough, Benadryl and quick shower curbs the reaction. His school does not limit peanut butter but has a peanut free table. However, kids don’t really understand the implications.
Haven’t had a jar of peanut butter in the house in over a decade, have to check every label when shopping. Bought a frozen lemonade at a baseball game and happened to check on off chance. Processed with peanuts. It’s a day to day challenge.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 5:54 pm to lsu777
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1) because they dont allow nuts or seafood
Serious question. How do you navigate a grocery store? Or just living life?
Seems that there would be even more chances to be around nuts or seafood that you can't control.
And I really do feel for kids with actual allergies. My friends daughter had a severe allergy to tree nuts when she was Younger.
But I don't remember them having me make any special accommodations for her. They would just ask if there was any tree nuts in food I brought. It was never "don't bring it in the house".
I imagine for those with the most serious allergies it must be a hassle.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 7:19 pm to fr33manator
For my son, grocery stores or restaurants with peanuts in the open are an absolute no go. Halloween parties with Reese’s are the worst.
As far as day to day, you check labels and notify servers when eating out. Recent article about someone dying when grocery brand improperly labeled ingredients.
As far as day to day, you check labels and notify servers when eating out. Recent article about someone dying when grocery brand improperly labeled ingredients.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:04 pm to LouisianaLady
quote:snacks
sodas, candy, energy drinks
quote:food
PB&J
quote:See above.
the rules against candy/soda ... seem to be accepted
Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:06 pm to Arktigers
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Halloween parties with Reese’s are the worst.
But, I mean, what's the alternative? Tons of Halloween candy is either made with peanuts or alongside peanuts. You can't just expect the world to not have anything nut based.
As far as seafood...does that mean you can't go in the ocean? To a market that has seafood?
I'll admit I really just do not understand the scope of this and have been irked before by "allergies" of grown adults that obviously were not real. (Someone "allergic" to garlic and onions for example. She ate something I had made that had garlic and onion powder in it and nothing happened because she didn't know.)
It must be awful for a parent of a little one with real allergies.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 8:43 pm to fr33manator
Regarding Reese’s, if unopened he has no issue if he keeps his distance. Once they are opened and consumed in close proximity it becomes a problem. I was on the side of the pbj argument before my youngest was diagnosed.
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