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re: Is my dad getting scammed?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:03 pm to Chillini
Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:03 pm to Chillini
It's a brand new flat roof. I don't want to believe it's leaking after they put it up but like said. It could have just been some shitty work. I don't want him buying an entire new roof of it isn't necessary.
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:08 pm to tigersownall
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and cost him 8k twenty years ago.
There's a good chance that a 20-year-old roof in LA does look fine until you get on it and actually inspect it. It's possible the granules are wearing out, or the fiberglass is dry rotting, or it has lost the ability to properly seal on the tar strip in some areas, etc. 20 to 25 years for 30-year shingles in this weather is about average. 30, 35, and 40-year ratings on shingles is more of a guide if perfect conditions are met which isn't the case obviously with the weather patterns we deal with.
That being said, I would get someone else to look at it. Chances are it's simply the flat roof leaking and those people did a bad job. No one does torch down anymore because they are lazy and don't know how. There's a way to properly do it and to make sure it is properly sealed and layered where the shingles and roll roofing meet.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:09 pm to tigersownall
Sounds like this could be a job for 
Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:09 pm to Chillini
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Just don't mention its been ongoing.
Adjusters will be able to tell a new leak from an ongoing leak. It's easy to spot. Ask Wick above you as he is an adjuster.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:21 pm to stout
My parents had a flat roof adjoining the pitched roof of the house that leaked for years no matter how much cool seal they put. Eventually they fixed it by putting a pitched roof on top and building into the side of the existing roof. No more problems.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:25 pm to tigersownall
I'm not taking up for the roofers, but as someone whose father was a roofing contractor, there are instances where a shingle roof could allow water penetration and the water could run down and get under the flat roof and leak. When replacing a flat roof joining up to an existing shingle roof, the tie in between the flat roof and shingle roof is very important. The flat roof underlayment and membrane has to go under the shingle underlayment. This often entails replacing 3 or 4 rows of shingles.
Back in the day, I spent many, many, hot, backbreaking days on roofs. Thank God I don't anymore.
Back in the day, I spent many, many, hot, backbreaking days on roofs. Thank God I don't anymore.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 8:40 pm to doublecutter
That's exactly what the fella is saying. When I have lunch with pops on Friday I'm going to ask him about how they put on the new flat roof.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:01 pm to tigersownall
tarring a roof is considered hackish in the roofing industry
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:06 pm to tigersownall
I would say no, he isn't getting scammed. They guys came out and tried what they could to fix the problem. If they did a half arse job and didn't come out when yall called them then that would be a scam.. maybe
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:18 pm to Caplewood
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tarring a roof is considered hackish in the roofing industry
Really???
Depending on what you mean by Tarring, you couldn't be more wrong. There are millions and millions of square feet of roofing installed using multiple layers of base plys mopped in with asphalt tar.
I have a small one I can show you on the patio flat roof of my house, installed by my Dad's crew in the early 1980s. Over 30 years old.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:21 pm to doublecutter
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Depending on what you mean by Tarring,
He could mean kool seal which is hackish and I have seen some people use that as a solution on leaking roll roofing. Can't do anything but laugh and shake my head.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:41 pm to stout
Yep, I don't know a ton just what I hear from my dad. He runs the commercial side of a roofing company here in Atlanta and he rags on people patching with tar or kool seal or whatever it's called
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:43 pm to tigersownall
my advice to him is to replace the flat roof with a pitched roof and be done with it...if he doesn't want to drop the cash, a talented (and persistent) roofer can make a flat roof work, but he will have trouble with it every 4 or 5 years.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:44 pm to stout
I had the exact issue at my residence. More than likely the sealing membrane that seals the flashing transition from the main roof to the flat roof is in need of repair. Look up water and ice membrane and ask the roofing companies about this. It will require the replacement of some shingles but should fix your problem if it is leaking underneath the flashing.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:45 pm to Caplewood
And I do know that tpo is the best bet for a flat roof
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:01 pm to Caplewood
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And I do know that tpo is the best bet for a flat roof
Yeah, TPO and some of the other thermoplastic membranes can make great flat roofing installations. But, like many things in building construction, there is no one -fits-all flat roofing system. Depending on the building use, roof deck load bearing numbers, fire resistance, roof slope, price, etc, other roofing systems may be better suited for a particular application.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:05 pm to tigersownall
How often should a roof get changed?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:07 pm to stout
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Adjusters will be able to tell a new leak from an ongoing leak. It's easy to spot. Ask Wick above you as he is an adjuster.
Depends on the adjuster. Some are lazy or just plain too busy to care and will give benefit of doubt.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:28 pm to Caplewood
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tarring a roof is considered hackish in the roofing industry
No it's not. Most contractors don't know how to hot mop or torch down a roof. It's an excellent roof that will last many years if done properly.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:46 pm to Chillini
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quote: Adjusters will be able to tell a new leak from an ongoing leak. It's easy to spot. Ask Wick above you as he is an adjuster. Depends on the adjuster. Some are lazy or just plain too busy to care and will give benefit of doubt.
Stout has been money in this thread.
It also depends on if your adjuster is a dick.
I try my best to provide coverage and not deny.
Most adjusters will try to work with you, but if you flat out say something has been leaking, then yea, that's not covered. Also, if it just looks like an ongoing issue, then it is not covered.
But an adjuster is also going by a specific peril depending on the claim.
Remember, your insurance policy is a peril policy. Not a maintenance policy.
As long as the adjuster can find wind/hail damage on your roof, then it will depend on how much damage there is for a repair vs. replace option.
Most insurance companies take the cheapest way out if they can and want to repair it.
In my experience if you are getting a leak on a flat roof, it's usually not storm related. I've worked one claim on a flat roof where it was wind damaged. The wind peeled the flat roof back like a sardine lid.
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