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re: ill-advised efforts to control alcohol consumption, lead to situations like Max Gruver

Posted on 8/17/18 at 1:21 pm to
Posted by extremetigerfanatic
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 8/17/18 at 1:21 pm to
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And I have no issue with the fraternity or the actives getting in trouble with LSU for breaking rules, but severe legal trouble I don't agree with. Certainly not criminal charges

I don’t understand this.
If you do something that results in a negligent homicide charge outside of campus,why shouldn’t it result in the same thing on campus?

Almost every kid who goes to college drinks too much from time to time. How come we never hear about all those other kids dying from hazing outside of frats? I can’t even remember this ever happening at a sorority.
This post was edited on 8/17/18 at 1:25 pm
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/17/18 at 1:24 pm to
You would have to illustrate two comparable situations for me to comment.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 8/17/18 at 1:24 pm to
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At one point during the continual changes in drinking rules, fraternities were able to have parties at the house, but no hard liquor or keg beer. Canned beer only.

While I am against virtually all regulations, this was a somewhat happy medium that most could accept. You can't die from canned beer.

Of course, this too did not last, as Ben Wynn died in spite of these rules. Now virtually no parties are held at fraternity houses. Now they rent off campus bars or facilities, where LSU has no authority.


We could have liquor and beer but no "common source" (kegs, fraternity couldn't buy the beer, etc.).

In the end these aren't rules intended to save lives, they're rules intended to target fraternities, which administrators hate. There are other factors at issue, insurance and liability being major ones, but in the end you've got a rule making entity which is culturally opposed to pretty much everything about fraternities.

Hence, you get an uproar about one death while multiple other drinking-related student deaths will pass without any outcry (because they're not greek).
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
36536 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 1:28 pm to
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How come we never hear about all those other kids dying from hazing outside of frats? I can’t even remember this ever happening at a sorority.


This is the only time it has happened at LSU due to hazing, as far as I know. Ben Wynne, the other fraternity related death, was just drinking.

There are about 2,000 new Greek members each year. So, that means one hazing related death out of well over 100,000 people. Even one is too many, but let's not act like this is an epidemic.

Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21840 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 1:28 pm to
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If you do something that results in a negligent homicide charge outside of campus,why shouldn’t it result in the same thing on campus?


Perhaps for the same reason people who drink themselves to death in their home not breaking news everyday.
Posted by Teufelhunden
Galvez, LA
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 8/17/18 at 1:37 pm to
This goes beyond college campuses. America's puritanical view of alcohol is also to blame. I was checking out of wal mart a few months ago and my 13 year old was helping me load groceries on the belt. She put a 6 pack of beer on the belt and I thought the cashier was going to have me arrested. She said she is not allowed to touch the alcohol and that she would go ahead and allow me to check out this time. WTF?!
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 8/17/18 at 5:38 pm to
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But no matter the law- drinking enough alcohol to literally poison yourself is a self-induced death, and no one else should be blamed for that. Real life isn't like the movies.


I find it surprising that so many people most of whom drank to excess in college at some point think a 18- 20 year old kid after already having a few drinks is capable of making a rational decision about their own safety. During my college years, myself and all my buddies after a few rounds thought we were indestructible, and acted like it, the only reason one of us didn't die was dumb luck, or someone sober intervened.
This post was edited on 8/17/18 at 5:53 pm
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