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re: If You Struggle Or Have Struggled With Depression Would Reading A Poem Help?

Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:13 pm to
Posted by Manzielathon
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:13 pm to
You go out of your way to be a bad poster.

It’s incredible really
Posted by ThuperThumpin
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:21 pm to
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Last night fr33 started a thread that had good intentions, it was a poem that was for those who struggle with depression.

Having struggled with depression at one point in my life I can only speak from my experience and I know my experience wasn't as bad as a lot of other people's experiences or what they are currently dealing with.

The thing I don't think people understand is that depression isn't about how you view life. Its a feeling. In general, the law of average is how I view life. Everyone has a different average, but I don't think we live in a dark world, nor do I think we live in a near perfect world. It's made up of both. You have to take the good with the bad and vice versa.

But when you are fighting depression it isn't about how you view life. It is a feeling. You can realize how you view life, but if you are fighting depression it doesn't matter because the feeling is holding you down.

There is nothing anyone can say or anything you can read or see that will suddenly make you feel better an if you assume that a poem will help someone, cheer them up then you don't really understand depression. There is a difference between feeling down on yourself and fighting depression.


You are talking about the difference between clinical depression that can be chronic most likely caused by a chemical imbalance and acute depression caused by an unfortunate event like divorce, death, loss of income etc.. They often overlap too. Ive suffered from both and while words of inspiration or listening to a certain song wont bounce me out of a deep depression, it can uplift my mood if only temporarily. And sometimes when you are in a very dark place just trying to live from one day to the next that little bit of respite is a enough to keep you going. So I appreciate FR33's gesture.

Exercise,proper sleep, the occasional course of anti depression meds, and just being aware of my moods and how I feel keeps my depression in check.
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:24 pm to
I don’t use “extra words”. I use exactly the words I want to convey a specific feel. I can be laconic when I need to.
Begrudgingly, you have a point that I probably use too many “6 dollar words.” But it isn’t to wield some stupid linguistic cudgel over anyone. I like coming across words I don’t know, it makes me learn new ones. and words have specific meanings, so using them in the correct sense just seems natural.

Seriously I’m not trying to Tolkien anyone into oblivion. But I can’t always be Hemingway.
Posted by OweO
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:24 pm to
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You are talking about the difference between clinical depression that can be chronic most likely caused by a chemical imbalance and acute depression caused by an unfortunate event like divorce, death, loss of income etc.. They often overlap too. Ive suffered from both and while words of inspiration or listening to a certain song wont bounce me out of a deep depression, it can uplift my mood if only temporarily. And sometimes when you are in a very dark place just trying to live from one day to the next that little bit of respite is a enough to keep you going. So I appreciate FR33's gesture.

Exercise,proper sleep, the occasional course of anti depression meds, and just being aware of my moods and how I feel keeps my depression in check.


Thank you!

This is exactly what I was looking for.

As I said, I was speaking from my experience. I just wanted to know other people's experiences.
Posted by georgia
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:33 pm to
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Seriously I’m not trying to Tolkien anyone into oblivion. But I can’t always be Hemingway.



quote:

I don’t use “extra words”.


The manner in which you argue the point proves the point.
Good day Sir.

Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:34 pm to
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georgia


Posted by georgia
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:38 pm to
It's pretty rare for me, but work has been slow this week.

also, bite my arse.
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:46 pm to
Hold the phone here...you are telling me that using Tolkien and Hemingway, two of the most famous writers and literally required reading (the Hobbit and The Old Man and the Sea) in high school, as examples of vastly different styles, is somehow flexing my linguistic nuts?

It’s the absolute opposite of that.
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:47 pm to
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It's pretty rare for me, but work has been slow this week.

also, bite my arse.



I've been enjoying this scrappy, opinionated side of you.

Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:48 pm to
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bite my arse
digits, is that you???
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:50 pm to
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Hold the phone here...you are telling me that using Tolkien and Hemingway, two of the most famous writers and literally required reading (the Hobbit and The Old Man and the Sea) in high school, as examples of vastly different styles, is somehow flexing my linguistic nuts?

It’s the absolute opposite of that.


I'll say this. Of all the things that you could complain about regarding Oweo's posting, and they are legion, his being long-winded rings most false.
Posted by dukke v
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Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:51 pm to
Wow. You are smarter than I thought..


I deal with depression everyday. Take meds for it, but what helps me most is MY PLACE.... Nobody around and peace and quiet.its MY personal space . I can think what I want, read the newspaper, drink a couple beers, and listen to radio. That's my fix. Not sure if it can work for anyone else.

ETA: I am also dealing with a terminal situation.
Posted by Flashback
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:53 pm to
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Just as I expected


Why did u do it then?
Posted by georgia
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:53 pm to
No. I'm saying that it's unnecessary, does not endear you to others the way you think it does, and no one cares.
Posted by Flashback
reading the chicken bones
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:54 pm to
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I deal with depression everyday. 


I thought u had a 10 inch dick and banged a different chic weekly.
Posted by fr33manator
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124279 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:08 pm to
It’s about the economy of words. If each word adds a specific, designed nuance to a bit of writing, paints a picture and elicits a certain feel, a mood, a cadence...then it can be warranted.

People get uptight about “6 dollar words”, but that’s mostly just unfamiliarity. You use the right word in the right place and don’t repeat yourself. Make salient, concise points.

Long winded means using a whole lot of words to convey little, (not counting when it’s purposeful)

I make it a damn point to make things worth reading and they aren’t always verbose.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
124279 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:13 pm to
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does not endear you to others the way you think it does


I didn’t write that long poem (though it is well crafted) and I know that anything more than a paragraph or 2 will be met with “TL;DR”.

But sometimes things are worth saying. I’m not worried about being endeared, otherwise i’d post gifs of bouncing boobs and explosions (which I have)

But come on, it was a serious topic about a serious issue that effects a lot of people. Not some ploy to collect meaningless upvotes.
Posted by georgia
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:18 pm to
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I didn’t write that long poem


I was referring to your Hemmingway statement, specifically, and your general demeanor in the broad sense. Deflect if you like, it's no real skin off my nose.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
124279 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:24 pm to
I just don’t think referencing an extremely well known author, who pretty much every high school student has read, is some sort of literary snobbery.

And I know I can be verbose and not always use the simplest terms but it isn’t to wow or impose some sort of superiority on anyone.
It’s just the words that come to me. I don’t even think about them usually.
Posted by Slagathor
Makin' jokes about your teeny tiny
Member since Jul 2007
37811 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:46 pm to
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If each word adds a specific, designed nuance to a bit of writing, paints a picture and elicits a certain feel, a mood, a cadence...then it can be warranted.


Are you going for a mix of Steampunk/Medieval Faire/Pirates of the Caribbean?


ETA: FTR I do think you had kind intentions in sharing the poem...
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 1:49 pm
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