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Posted on 5/9/20 at 12:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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While it looks really bad, it literally doesn't tell the entire story.
While I will grant you that, if you read the original thread on this, most of us tried to think of any possible scenario where this would be justified and came up zero. I am open to any hypotheticals that may do so.
However, that initial reaction was more gutturally offensive to my sense of right and wrong. Now that I have actually read the Georgia statutes, transcripts from the 911 calls, that idiot D.A.’s CYA report upon his recusal, and various other reports, specifically the one that said the original D.A.(the woman) instructed the police on the scene not to arrest, etc...I am not open to any hypotheticals that don’t now jive with what we do know, limited as that might still be.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 12:11 pm to HogBalls
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Maybe before the video starts? We don’t know what all happened prior to the video
And the suspects decided not to mention that why?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 12:14 pm to Kujo
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I live in California and the sentiment here is you never stand up for yourself.
Like the dude who was murdered? Jesus Christ, can you really not see how fricking stupid you are?
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Kujo
Ahh. Never mind.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 12:18 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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And the suspects decided not to mention that why?
I can’t answer that. Not saying it even happened. I just don’t think the guy was out exercising. Then again he may have been but I’m not going to say he was ran down and murdered because of race without the whole story.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 12:20 pm to oleyeller
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Just dont be black and you wont have this problem
FIFY
Posted on 5/9/20 at 12:23 pm to FAP SAM
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There's 2 huge differences bw this scenario and the current situation, no?
Don’t waste your energy—that dude is beyond help. For the others who may not be familiar with the Georgia statute on a citizen’s arrest, the 1st two criteria necessary for it to be legal are: 1) you have to have been “in the presence of” or have “imminent knowledge of” 2) a felony being committed...
There are other criteria after that, but if it doesn’t meet the standard of those 2, the rest are moot.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 12:26 pm to FAP SAM
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There's 2 huge differences bw this scenario and the current situation, no?
You say that, but not really. I gave you a black and white situation, but it means that at a certain point you are allowing a single person to subjectively believe that they are justified in deputizing themselves.
Say I saw my same bike thief riding down the street with a TV. After getting robbed twice by someone matching his description and cops not doing anything because there was no "solid proof", I actually may jump in the car and follow the guy while I dialed 911 to report him. If that guy notices me following, drops the TV and starts booking it....would I stop following, or would that reinforce my belief that he's actually the thief? And if that guy saw he couldn't get away from me in a car and he decides to attack my vehicle, and I shoot him.
1. He was a thief and the TV was stolen.
2. He was taking a TV from his Aunt's house to his sick mother's house, and I mistakenly chased him believing he was a thief, and he attacked my vehicle because in his fear he thought it would be a good idea.
In which after the fact scenario, am I guilty of murdering the man? Both?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 12:27 pm to HogBalls
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I just don’t think the guy was out exercising
It. Doesn’t. Matter.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 12:29 pm to Kujo
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In which after the fact scenario, am I guilty of murdering the man? Both?
Hey I think you're finally starting to catch on
Posted on 5/9/20 at 12:29 pm to FAP SAM
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Call me crazy, but I'm not gonna question the actions of a guy being chased with guns. Nobody knows how they're going to react in that situation. If you think you know how you'd act you are flat wrong
ETA: Also if he started running thru yards or banging on doors you'd have people saying "see, he was trying to break into that house, he was an immediate danger, no harm no foul"
If I’m being “chased” down by 2 guys in a vehicle with guns I’m not going to give them the advantage of doing it on a asphalt road.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 12:31 pm to Snipe
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Just dont be black and you wont have this problem
FIFY
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The statistics show that the 500 killings of white people attributed to blacks last year
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The 229 black lives taken by white killers last year
LINK
Black people kill white people at a much higher rate than white people kill black folks.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 12:32 pm to HogBalls
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If I’m being “chased” down by 2 guys in a vehicle with guns I’m not going to give them the advantage of doing it on a asphalt road.
You're right, glad you already know exactly how you'd react in a life threatening situation. I guess he should have consulted you before he acted
Posted on 5/9/20 at 12:39 pm to Kujo
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1. He was a thief and the TV was stolen.
2. He was taking a TV from his Aunt's house to his sick mother's house, and I mistakenly chased him believing he was a thief, and he attacked my vehicle because in his fear he thought it would be a good idea.
In which after the fact scenario, am I guilty of murdering the man? Both?
In the state of Georgia, yes. Because you were neither “in the presence of” nor had “imminent knowledge of” a felony being committed to justify making a citizen’s arrest.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 12:42 pm to Hot Carl
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In the state of Georgia, yes. Because you were neither “in the presence of” nor had “imminent knowledge of” a felony being committed to justify making a citizen’s arrest.
When he attacks my car, is that a felony?
Because until then, I'm just following him.
BTW, I did actually chase down a car thief, and 911 was on the phone and told me to stop. Never caught him either.(13k loss)
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 5/9/20 at 12:52 pm to Kujo
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When he attacks my car, is that a felony?
Because until then, I'm just following him.
This is actually a good point that I brought up in the original thread. Whether the whole thing could be broken down into 2 separate events (pre-confrontation and confrontation). If so, there is a point where you could reasonably argue that the initial aggressor felt he was in imminent danger of great bodily harm and had a right to use lethal force to defend himself.
A couple of attorneys weighed in that that was likely the guy’s only defense, but it was pretty flimsy because the entire event is usually taken as 1 and, more importantly, the aggressor unlawfully created the situation because it did not meet the standard for a citizen’s arrest.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 12:58 pm to Kujo
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BTW, I did actually chase down a car thief, and 911 was on the phone and told me to stop
Of course they did. They told the these 2 Georgia murderers to stop too.
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Never caught him either.(13k loss)
insurance
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:14 pm to rallyTiger
Regardless, no one deserves to die for jogging or doing something like trespassing or stealing a bike. This could have been avoided by those idiots calling the cops and staying put. Zero grounds for this shooting.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:15 pm to Buck Magnum
Exactly.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 1:19 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Black people kill white people at a much higher rate than white people kill black folks
So, these guys get a pass?
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