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Posted on 3/19/24 at 12:10 pm to Corriente Kid
no he didnt if he is batting 700. Sorry but even the best players in the 8th grade class do not bat that. think whatever you want but if the kid is legit batting 0.700 then the game changer stats are BS or your kid is legit the next mike trout.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 12:21 pm to lsu777
You play real good regional ball those two years prior to going to 60 foot, you are seeing some heat that is hard to hit.
If you hit .400 you are a damn good stick, my son, who hits fairly well was a .325 or so hitter for his last two years. You just dont see kids raking at the higher levels unless they are absolute studs.
If you hit .400 you are a damn good stick, my son, who hits fairly well was a .325 or so hitter for his last two years. You just dont see kids raking at the higher levels unless they are absolute studs.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 12:23 pm to Floating Change Up
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We found a program that doesn't care about size and forbids any player from saying, "I'm a pitcher" or "I'm a SS" or "I'm a (insert favorite position)" -- it is simply, "baseball player". Our program is character first, baseball second. Learn the game, learn how to work hard, be accountable, and become a baseball player -- the position specific player doesn't happen until 8th grade. Even then, he wants all players to be as versatile as possible -- so very rarely do you see a player buried in right field "because that's what you do with players that suck".
That sounds legit.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 12:25 pm to Corriente Kid
quote:Most of the good hitters that my son played with that are starters on their HS teams as sophomores are having alot more success now than in their last years of travel. My boy is a freshman and life is easier at the plate.
His batting average will go down once he starts high schoo
But he aint batting off Schmidt, Victorian or Harris yet either. They may run into Schmidt in the playoffs, maybe he will be having a bad day.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 12:33 pm to tigerfoot
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You play real good regional ball those two years prior to going to 60 foot, you are seeing some heat that is hard to hit.
If you hit .400 you are a damn good stick, my son, who hits fairly well was a .325 or so hitter for his last two years. You just dont see kids raking at the higher levels unless they are absolute studs.
hell even in 10u at 46 feet got kids throwing up to 65....which is the same as 85 in HS. You will have kids throwing 75 from 50' at 12 at the PG NITs pretty regularly. thats 90 from 60'6"
you are not hitting 0.700 against that.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 1:27 pm to Floating Change Up
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found a program that doesn't care about size and forbids any player from saying, "I'm a pitcher" or "I'm a SS" or "I'm a (insert favorite position)" -- it is simply, "baseball player". Our program is character first, baseball second. Learn the game, learn how to work hard, be accountable, and become a baseball player -- the position specific player doesn't happen until 8th grade. Even then, he wants all players to be as versatile as possible -- so very rarely do you see a player buried in right field "because that's what you do with players that suck".
I agree with some of this but pretending kids don't have positions earlier than 8th grade is stupid.
You expect a kid to understand the game in every single position, where to be every play, the nuances of playing that position? It's not feasible and it's bullshite coaches feed parents.
The game knowledge and skill set is completely different from an outfielder to an infielder. It's different from a first baseman to a short stop.
Major travel orgs typically have kids focus on 2 positions.
ETA: if you disagree, next tournament put your left fielder at first, first baseman at short stop, right fielder at second, etc. see how you do.
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 3/19/24 at 1:36 pm to BoogaBear
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You expect a kid to understand the game in every single position, where to be every play, the nuances of playing that position? It's not feasible and it's bullshite coaches feed parents.
In a way, yes. If their younger years (say 9-12) aren’t spent ring chasing, they should be spending a decent amount of time at different positions. Yea I get it, you can’t spend a significant time at ALL positions, but there’s no reason a kid can’t rotate between middle infield, corner infield, outfield, and catcher (some kids aren’t cut out for this, and that’s ok)
I’m only an assistant for a 10U team, but the head guy and I had a serious sit down because for the longest time, I felt like he was sacrificing development for ‘ring chasing’. We had a STUD shortstop, but for two years, if he wasn’t pitching, that’s all he played (same thing for our first baseman and catcher as well). My argument was what happens when this kid gets to HS, and now he’s on a team with 8-10 stud shortstops and has to play a new position. He’s gonna be so far behind everyone who’s had time at different spots.
I know my example is anecdotal, but I feel like this is a conversation that should be had all over the place. Let the kids be multiple. Don’t sacrifice their development just so you can have your weekend glory. (Not directing this at you 777, I’m just saying in general)
Posted on 3/19/24 at 1:40 pm to Areddishfish
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Posted on 3/19/24 at 1:41 pm to TheRouxGuru
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In a way, yes. If their younger years (say 9-12) aren’t spent ring chasing, they should be spending a decent amount of time at different positions. Yea I get it, you can’t spend a significant time at ALL positions, but there’s no reason a kid can’t rotate between middle infield, corner infield, outfield, and catcher (some kids aren’t cut out for this, and that’s ok)
I’m only an assistant for a 10U team, but the head guy and I had a serious sit down because for the longest time, I felt like he was sacrificing development for ‘ring chasing’. We had a STUD shortstop, but for two years, if he wasn’t pitching, that’s all he played (same thing for our first baseman and catcher as well). My argument was what happens when this kid gets to HS, and now he’s on a team with 8-10 stud shortstops and has to play a new position. He’s gonna be so far behind everyone who’s had time at different spots.
I know my example is anecdotal, but I feel like this is a conversation that should be had all over the place. Let the kids be multiple. Don’t sacrifice their development just so you can have your weekend glory. (Not directing this at you 777, I’m just saying in general)
no i agree. you dont want a kid getting to HS and saying im a RF...coach says why and kid says because thats where my 7u coach put me lol
but...its travel ball...its not given its earned. if you want the position out perform the other kids during practice and in games
now i do not think that during games kids have to play more than about 2 positions, maybe 3...2 inf and 1 of if they are a middle INF. more than that and it gets to be too much. And in a game, play your best players where they are best, atleast in bracket play. In pool play, let some of the kids play other positions if you can.
but during practice...they should spend time at lots of positions. especially when younger. now a lefty that isnt tall.....let that dude play pitcher and concentrate on becoming a stud OF.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 1:48 pm to TheRouxGuru
That's why I said I agree with some of it.
A bunch of coaches pimp that they teach kids to play every position. That's complete bullshite. 2 maybe 3 at most. Once you start getting into various bunt coverages, slapping (I'm in softball), situations, etc. It isn't realistic to understand every position.
I even argue that fielding a ground ball at a position like short stop is different than third for instance. The footwork is different, the approach is different.
A bunch of coaches pimp that they teach kids to play every position. That's complete bullshite. 2 maybe 3 at most. Once you start getting into various bunt coverages, slapping (I'm in softball), situations, etc. It isn't realistic to understand every position.
I even argue that fielding a ground ball at a position like short stop is different than third for instance. The footwork is different, the approach is different.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 3:40 pm to BoogaBear
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The game knowledge and skill set is completely different from an outfielder to an infielder. It's different from a first baseman to a short stop.
Major travel orgs typically have kids focus on 2 positions.
100% agree.
A lot of programs lose focus of two key things:
1. Kids develop at different rates emotionally and maturity.
2. Kids develop at different rates physically.
Those "Major" travel orgs purposely ignore those key things and they bubble-up the bigger-stronger-faster kids that fit position profiles at 10,11, 12 to the AAA and Majors teams to gain notoriety and wins.
A lot of those kids go on and have solid high school (and college) careers. But many of them fail to become a starter in high school.
Because:
1: Kids have caught up with him physically.
2: Kids have matured more or surpassed him emotionally.
When kids are penciled in too early of an age into a position, if their body and/or athleticism does not keep them ahead of their peers or within that 'position profile', they will fail at an older level. All too often I have seen kids that were tall and thick at 10 be "the team's 1B", only to be done growing at 14 and now can't field a different position because that "major" program did not develop their baseball skills. No one gives a shite how good a 5'8" 1B can pick a throw at 1B when the team has 2 more 6'+ kids who are just as good.
And you are right, the Major programs win lots of games with their philosophy in the 9-13U ranks. I admitted that my son endured some very bad seasons - their approach takes time to pay off.
He is in 8th grade this season. He will be playing on a 16U team this summer to get ready for High School ball. He made the 16U team with hard work and never being satisfied. It also helps that he can provide innings at every spot except 1B, he simply doesn't have the length for the spot.
TOP high school programs in our area (Westlake, Lake Travis, Westwood, and Round Rock) all want versatile players that can hit. Or, rather, Hitters that can play multiple spots.
I mention these things not to boast (yes, I am proud of him).
But far too often, these threads turn into nothing but a bunch of negative untruths about select baseball. I would hate for younger parents to use these threads to go away with the idea, "My child will never play travel ball! It's for trashy people!"
Yes, there are negatives with the business side. There are negatives with some of the over-bearing Baseball Mommas. Look at any organized sport, you will find plenty of negatives.
But if your kid likes baseball and if you spend a little time, you can find a really good spot for your kid to learn the sport and grow as a person.
For the record, back to the OP -- my son does not have any Jaxxon bling. But he does wear a simple cheap silver-looking chain with his number on it.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 3:55 pm to lsu777
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now i do not think that during games kids have to play more than about 2 positions, maybe 3...2 inf and 1 of if they are a middle INF. more than that and it gets to be too much. And in a game, play your best players where they are best, atleast in bracket play. In pool play, let some of the kids play other positions if you can.
but during practice...they should spend time at lots of positions. especially when younger. now a lefty that isnt tall.....let that dude play pitcher and concentrate on becoming a stud OF.
Yep, pretty much all of this. But even on Sunday, let the kids have opportunity to succeed or fail at other positions -- if they meet the minimum standards to field the position.
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but...its travel ball...its not given its earned. if you want the position out perform the other kids during practice and in games
13, 14U, I totally agree. Under 13, I disagree. You open yourself up to killing the drive of under-developed kids at an early age when you tell a kid, "Nah, you're too small to play SS, we're only letting that tall kid that has the dad that is 6'4" play SS until you can out-perform him." A) that tall kid did not earn it he just happens to have DNA on his side that allows him to throw harder at an early age. B) the small kid won't be able to out-perform him in many aspects until puberty. If a kid can field the ball, use his glove, and make a throw -- let him play that position until he fails or ages out of the position.
And yes, there are exceptions. But I think coaches are doing a grave dis-service to the sport when they cater to the bigger-stronger-faster recipe at 9-12U. Our 11U team has a kid that is 5'10" and 165 pounds. No fricking lie. He is a grown arse man with a child's brain. How are the other kids going to out-compete him? The kid is already throwing 64-66mph and hitting 88EV (soft-toss, not tee). Don't derail other kids just because you have an early star.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 4:03 pm to lsu777
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hell even in 10u at 46 feet got kids throwing up to 65....which is the same as 85 in HS. You will have kids throwing 75 from 50' at 12 at the PG NITs pretty regularly. thats 90 from 60'6"
OK Sevens -- I agree with your sentiment, a .700 avg does not exactly indicate top-tier pitching.
But we have played AA,AAA, and Majors in Austin and Houston area tournaments for a while now. 65mph at 10U and 75mph at 12U are anomalies and not the norm. Yes, there are those kids that throw much harder than age-group. But in my experience, the difference between AA, AAA, and Majors is 1) defense 2) ability to control the strike zone 3) adjust to off-speed pitches.
Very, very, rarely do you see 12U guys throwing 75.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 5:21 pm to Teauxler
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I’m a travel ball coach … AMA
How does it feel being a full time douche?
Posted on 3/19/24 at 5:29 pm to lsu777
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99% of the people here have zero experience with travel ball and just repeat BS they have heard or think they know
BS. My kid plays competitive soccer, which means we are regularly sharing facilities with the Braxtons and Jaxtons. I can confirm BB parents are total douchebags.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 6:01 pm to TCO
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How does it feel being a full time douche?
That’s an awful big assumption to make about someone you don’t even know
Posted on 3/19/24 at 6:02 pm to TCO
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which means we are regularly sharing facilities with the Braxtons and Jaxtons. I can confirm BB parents are total douchebags.
Jesus Christ dude, you have children? Grow up a little
Posted on 3/19/24 at 6:16 pm to TheRouxGuru
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Jesus Christ dude, you have children? Grow up a little
Well to be fair it’s kind of hard to miss the BB parents chugging white claws and sucking heaters behind their surburbans.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 6:49 pm to TCO
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My kid plays competitive soccer
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competitive
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soccer
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