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If I decide to take down a punk breaking into my car, is it now justifiable homicide?

Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:01 am
Posted by Anaximander
3524 Third St New Orleans, LA
Member since Jun 2018
3412 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:01 am
The Mayor has issued an order to shelter in place and the Governor has issued similar orders. There is no way to know who has or has not been tested for Covid-19 and we are told it can pass from someone touching something and someone else touching it. If someone is in the act of breaking in and touches my door handle or other items, I will be availing myself of the right of self-defense under the first section of the statute.


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§20. Justifiable homicide

A. A homicide is justifiable:

(1) When committed in self-defense by one who reasonably believes that he is in imminent danger of losing his life or receiving great bodily harm and that the killing is necessary to save himself from that danger.

(2) When committed for the purpose of preventing a violent or forcible felony involving danger to life or of great bodily harm by one who reasonably believes that such an offense is about to be committed and that such action is necessary for its prevention. The circumstances must be sufficient to excite the fear of a reasonable person that there would be serious danger to his own life or person if he attempted to prevent the felony without the killing.

(3) When committed against a person whom one reasonably believes to be likely to use any unlawful force against a person present in a dwelling or a place of business, or when committed against a person whom one reasonably believes is attempting to use any unlawful force against a person present in a motor vehicle as defined in R.S. 32:1(40), while committing or attempting to commit a burglary or robbery of such dwelling, business, or motor vehicle.

(4)(a) When committed by a person lawfully inside a dwelling, a place of business, or a motor vehicle as defined in R.S. 32:1(40) when the conflict began, against a person who is attempting to make an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, or who has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle, and the person committing the homicide reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent the entry or to compel the intruder to leave the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle.

(b) The provisions of this Paragraph shall not apply when the person committing the homicide is engaged, at the time of the homicide, in the acquisition of, the distribution of, or possession of, with intent to distribute a controlled dangerous substance in violation of the provisions of the Uniform Controlled Dangerous Substances Law.

B. For the purposes of this Section, there shall be a presumption that a person lawfully inside a dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle held a reasonable belief that the use of deadly force was necessary to prevent unlawful entry thereto, or to compel an unlawful intruder to leave the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle when the conflict began, if both of the following occur:

(1) The person against whom deadly force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcibly entering or had unlawfully and forcibly entered the dwelling, place of business, or motor vehicle.

(2) The person who used deadly force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry was occurring or had occurred.

C. A person who is not engaged in unlawful activity and who is in a place where he or she has a right to be shall have no duty to retreat before using deadly force as provided for in this Section, and may stand his or her ground and meet force with force.

D. No finder of fact shall be permitted to consider the possibility of retreat as a factor in determining whether or not the person who used deadly force had a reasonable belief that deadly force was reasonable and apparently necessary to prevent a violent or forcible felony involving life or great bodily harm or to prevent the unlawful entry.

Added by Acts 1976, No. 655, §1. Amended by Acts 1977, No. 392, §1; Acts 1983, No. 234, §1; Acts 1993, No. 516, §1; Acts 1997, No. 1378, §1; Acts 2003, No. 660, §1; Acts 2006, No. 141, §1; Acts 2014, No. 163, §1.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:02 am to
We get it baw, you want to clap someone.
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
67256 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:03 am to
You could do that in Texas before COVID

Car is an extension of your home here
Posted by SavageOrangeJug
Member since Oct 2005
19758 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:05 am to
You need a cheap handgun fully loaded. Make sure your fingerprints are nowhere on any of the bullets.

It's called a throw away. Back before there were cameras everywhere all cops carried one.

He pulled a gun on you. You had to defend yourself.
Posted by FearTheFish
Member since Dec 2007
4562 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:05 am to
The key is
quote:

imminent danger


Think about that while you're sitting in OPP after shooting someone for touching your property.
Posted by WITCH DOCTOR
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2009
3474 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:07 am to
Just shoot, we will figure it out latter...
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:08 am to
just bc it's justifiable by law doesn't mean you can trust a judge, jury, etc. Judges, prosecutors, and cops move up by getting convictions, not by following the law. How many times have you seen judges or prosecutors brag about how many innocent people that set free? probably never. You've prob heard of judges and prosecutors bragging about convictions though.
Posted by Anaximander
3524 Third St New Orleans, LA
Member since Jun 2018
3412 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:09 am to
A better idea would be that any punks arrested for crimes like this be sentenced to handwashing the linens at Lambeth House.
Posted by TulaneFan
Slidell, LA
Member since Jan 2008
14092 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:09 am to
This you baw?

Posted by lsutiger2010
Member since Aug 2008
14790 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:10 am to
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This post was edited on 10/18/21 at 5:07 pm
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11496 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:20 am to
The way you put it is just wrong. Whether it is your house or car, there has to be some kind of immediate threat to shoot or kill someone. If they are breaking into your house and you are in it. That is a threat. If you are walking up to your house and you see someone trying to break in, there really isn't a threat (unless someone in your family is in there).

So if you see someone breaking into your unoccupied vehicle, you can't just shoot them in the back. There just isn't a threat. Them touching your stuff is not a death sentence.
Posted by Sidicous
NELA
Member since Aug 2015
19296 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:26 am to
quote:


He pulled a knife on you. You had to defend yourself.
Knife works too, just get ya an old mismatched steak knife out of your kitchen drawer.
Posted by Loungefly85
Lafayette
Member since Jul 2016
7930 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:27 am to
Not sure about the law, but you have my permission.

frick thieves.
Posted by farad
Member since Dec 2013
12751 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:29 am to
do you want to pay a deductable for damages?...

or do you want to pay thousands of dollars to a lawyer when the family comes after you in a civil trial after you were shown to use excessive force?...

your call...
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