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re: If demand for home is so high, why aren't more people building?
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The handrails were supposed to be hot dip galvanized, I got approval from the architect for gold galv, which ended up not turning out very well.
it's a shame they let that place go to hell but I had a lot of good times out there, the Old Bonneau Peters(SPAR,) was a lot of fun too but, for obvious reasons, it was time to move on from there
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:08 pm to beebefootballfan
My sister and BiL are about to embark on building their second house both being under 35. They received a rather generous offer to sell off-market and accepted an all-cash offer that included the furniture. They're also out in the country so land is the bigger part of the equation for them.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:11 pm to Thundercles
I was ignorant to how some people “build” a house. They get with a builder that’s building houses in a neighborhood and say “I’ll take that one” and they change up a few things about it to personalize it. That’s very different than how I did it. I bought my lot, picked a house plan and customized, got my permits, then hired every person along the way while personally buying all materials. I had 100% unilateral control over my entire build. I’m not sure that’s the case with the first method
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:11 pm to Thundercles
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I'm in Dallas and there are probably hundreds available for cheap 40 minutes outside of town and very few available in the city).
Where? Because everything looks expensive to me.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:20 pm to Gee Grenouille
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I was ignorant to how some people “build” a house. They get with a builder that’s building houses in a neighborhood and say “I’ll take that one” and they change up a few things about it to personalize it. That’s very different than how I did it. I bought my lot, picked a house plan and customized, got my permits, then hired every person along the way while personally buying all materials. I had 100% unilateral control over my entire build. I’m not sure that’s the case with the first method
If you can’t get to the construction site easily, it’s very difficult to do what you did.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:23 pm to Gee Grenouille
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I had 100% unilateral control over my entire build. I’m not sure that’s the case with the first method
Yep, its not that difficult.
If you have basic construction knowledge and some persistence you can do it.
My buddy has never built a thing in his life and he is doing his cabin solo.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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My buddy has never built a thing in his life and he is doing his cabin solo.
well hell it's easy if you start with an old school bus!!
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:37 pm to Thundercles
Was talking to a realtor from Dallas this weekend and he said prices are starting to tick up again in the desired areas, especially around private school row and the lake etc.
There just isn’t enough supply and of course no one is building new subdivisions in Dallas proper. Sellers need more time to realize rates aren’t going back to 3%, IMO, and then we’ll see better supply.
If the economy recesses it could force a lot more supply into the market.
There just isn’t enough supply and of course no one is building new subdivisions in Dallas proper. Sellers need more time to realize rates aren’t going back to 3%, IMO, and then we’ll see better supply.
If the economy recesses it could force a lot more supply into the market.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:39 pm to Thundercles
Multifamily for the win. It’s booming right now. Until cap rate goes to shite or lending shuts down.
A 12-16 month gradual recovery is what single family needs. Home prices slowly drop and non lumber building materials drop back down some. Rates crawl back into low 5s.
Fundamental is keeping people that can’t afford to buy from doing so but Feds about to screw that up.
What we don’t need is anything sudden.
A 12-16 month gradual recovery is what single family needs. Home prices slowly drop and non lumber building materials drop back down some. Rates crawl back into low 5s.
Fundamental is keeping people that can’t afford to buy from doing so but Feds about to screw that up.
What we don’t need is anything sudden.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:40 pm to Thundercles
You should see the rate of gated communities going up here. It's insane. They are no longer snow-birds. They are turning in to permanent residents.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:49 pm to TejasHorn
I know people who bought in Lake Highlands like 8 or so years ago at in the low to mid 300s. Now their homes are worth 500k+. The families I know are now in family stages/career stages that would normally be a natural time to buy a bigger house. Problem is is that anything noticeably larger would be a million and their current homes are sitting at like 3%. Their homes are financed at a monthly note that is less than a nice 1 bedroom apartment is currently. Doubt they move anytime soon.
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Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:50 pm to Thundercles
The reason housing prices are so high is because trump put all the home builders in cages
Posted on 4/24/23 at 1:17 pm to BearsFan
quote:Assessors and local gov are creaming themselves!!! New fire trucks and police cars baw!!!
I know people who bought in Lake Highlands like 8 or so years ago at in the low to mid 300s. Now their homes are worth 500k+.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 1:23 pm to Thundercles
Demand for new and existing homes is on the decline, temporarily, thus there is little financial incentive to start new homes. New permits are down nationwide for the month of March 2022 to March 23 by 25%. That sort of decline is a historic harbinger of a serious recession, by the way...construction starts are a leading indicator of economic slow downs...the first to drop off and the last to take off in recovery.
7/16 OSB is down almost 400% nationwide...from a high or around $60 a sheet in 2021 to around $11 a sheet today. Dimensional lumber prices have hit rock bottom. Roofing is still expensive because of oil prices but most building product prices have crashed in the last year or so.
The 2008 (?) housing bubble bust severly impacted the inventory of ready to move in homes while folks were still graduating school and starting families. The number of pre-qualified buyers just a few years ago in many areas was 8-10 times higher than the number of units available. It was unheard of except for periods in the 1950s according to most industry "experts". That is slowing WAAAAAAYYYYYY down today....still a lot of buyers compared to sellers but it is leveling off quickly and is exactly the opposite in some areas where prices are being reduced and sellers are more motivated than buyers.
Regardless of what shape the economy is in there is always going to be an increase in the demand for housing unless there is a decline in population. Affordable housing availability seldom if ever is in line with demand. IT certainly isn't today. But demand for "unaffordable housing" is not what it was just a year ago and it ain't going to get any better anytime soon.
7/16 OSB is down almost 400% nationwide...from a high or around $60 a sheet in 2021 to around $11 a sheet today. Dimensional lumber prices have hit rock bottom. Roofing is still expensive because of oil prices but most building product prices have crashed in the last year or so.
The 2008 (?) housing bubble bust severly impacted the inventory of ready to move in homes while folks were still graduating school and starting families. The number of pre-qualified buyers just a few years ago in many areas was 8-10 times higher than the number of units available. It was unheard of except for periods in the 1950s according to most industry "experts". That is slowing WAAAAAAYYYYYY down today....still a lot of buyers compared to sellers but it is leveling off quickly and is exactly the opposite in some areas where prices are being reduced and sellers are more motivated than buyers.
Regardless of what shape the economy is in there is always going to be an increase in the demand for housing unless there is a decline in population. Affordable housing availability seldom if ever is in line with demand. IT certainly isn't today. But demand for "unaffordable housing" is not what it was just a year ago and it ain't going to get any better anytime soon.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 1:24 pm to theunknownknight
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Anyone starting the process to build a house right now would be insane IMO
Material prices have taken a dive and more builders / labor is available than it has been in probably 6-7 years. Money is the problem...but if you ain't borrowing money its probably a good time to be starting....
Posted on 4/24/23 at 1:25 pm to Thundercles
Building requires time and most people only buy houses when they are moving and don’t have a year to wait for it to be done.
Besides the obvious rate increases, the build market has gotten to where there are only two options:
1. True custom build with high quality stuff you choose personally. In our market(Nashville) these builders have massive waiting lists and won’t even talk to you unless you’re spending 1.5m+
2. Track built spit and popsicle stick homes that cost 500k and up and are outdated/ugly/exactly the same as 200 other homes in the neighborhood. These you’re lucky to make it 5 years without something major falling apart, especially if you aren’t on site inspecting daily and know what you’re looking for problem wise. And these places offer you a choice of “basic” finishings that are not even Home Depot quality or massive markups on slightly nicer outdated junk.
Besides the obvious rate increases, the build market has gotten to where there are only two options:
1. True custom build with high quality stuff you choose personally. In our market(Nashville) these builders have massive waiting lists and won’t even talk to you unless you’re spending 1.5m+
2. Track built spit and popsicle stick homes that cost 500k and up and are outdated/ugly/exactly the same as 200 other homes in the neighborhood. These you’re lucky to make it 5 years without something major falling apart, especially if you aren’t on site inspecting daily and know what you’re looking for problem wise. And these places offer you a choice of “basic” finishings that are not even Home Depot quality or massive markups on slightly nicer outdated junk.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 1:26 pm to 50_Tiger
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Celina TX, closer to OK than DFW
Worse thing is businesses still havent adjusted COL's and trying to hang on to the TX standards of yonder 10 years back and don't realize were on a collision course with SF Bay Area pricing
Florida is a good example of the ills that are spreading across the south....affordable COL is almost non existent now with booming real estate and salaries haven't come close to keeping pace...when the retirees who moved and drove up real estate prices in Florida die off the market is going to crash like nothing ever seen before.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 1:27 pm to Thundercles
You need to build up rather than build out. Urban infill is the answer, but lots of people don't want that, even in progressive areas.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 1:30 pm to Thundercles
Interest rates and lack of labor.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 1:31 pm to Tomatocantender
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Building from ground up in today's market especially on private land sounds sexy until the real prices of things and coding/permits pop your cherry. Private sewage, pipes, gas/electrical lines, covered ditch discharge/culverts etc all add up like well over $50k even before you put stakes in for the concrete.
The alternative for most folks is to buy in a HOA development where there is an unelected mayor with a police force backed by the power of the state which can foreclose on your home if the shrubs ain't trimmed when they think they should be...
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