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Posted on 12/5/22 at 5:20 pm to
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 5:20 pm to
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Police need to communicate more often with Kaylee’s dad to try to settle him down a little. As soon as he started talking about how the police have stopped sharing as much with him possibly due to suspected leaks adding that he was trust worthy and knew stuff he



Perhaps this thought is just from watching too much TV crap, but maybe this is all orchestrated by the FBI and using him to say certain things that they think will make a difference? It is all scripted kind of thing.
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 5:21 pm to
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Are there theories she was the primary target?


Not 100% but most people believe so. Police still sticking by it was targeted. Sounds like Kaylee had the most stab wounds too and the killer would’ve had to go up to that room to kill her. If primary target was on 2nd floor, he woulda killed the couple and left.

Posted by UndercoverBryologist
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 5:37 pm to
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Sounds like Kaylee had the most stab wounds too and the killer would’ve had to go up to that room to kill her. If primary target was on 2nd floor, he woulda killed the couple and left.


This has been bothering me for a while. If Xana was the target, it looks like he got his target and would’ve walked out scott free if so.

The only reason to go upstairs is if Kaylee and/or Maddie were the primary targets all along, or for some reason, the killer targeted all of them…which should indicate something bad they were all in on, which probably would have come to light by now.

The simplest theory would seem to be Kaylee and/or Maddie were the primary targets and the killer was just cleaning up a potential obstacle by killing Xana and Ethan. (Perhaps he could see Ethan sleeping in there and knew he didn’t want that trouble should screams awake him. So he killed Ethan first.)

Posted by wasteland
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 5:47 pm to
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Perhaps this thought is just from watching too much TV crap, but maybe this is all orchestrated by the FBI and using him to say certain things that they think will make a difference? It is all scripted kind of thing.



Have you met any cops? I doubt they’re smart enough for that
Posted by 1LoudTideFan
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 5:59 pm to
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Do we know why he is out of the country now?


I didn’t see any reason given but he comes from a wealthy family and is lawyered up. They are not speaking to anyone.

Another interesting theory presented about the phone calls…that it was the jealous ex boyfriend calling himself immediately after the murders to bolster an alibi that he was busy/asleep elsewhere. The timeline appears to indicate the calls fall in the presumed window of the murders. Seems unlikely to me but it’s an interesting take.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 6:05 pm to
Presents a problem:

In such a case, he would risk leaving fingerprints on the touchscreen. Now latex and some other gloves work on touch screen but winter and other types don’t work.

Or he could have used Kaylee’s or Maddie’s dead fingers to dial the touch screen (assuming he knew BOTH their passcodes).
Posted by NastyNatiNole
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 6:11 pm to
Any legit proof he has left the country? I've seen the speculation but no proof. I've seen lots of speculation on reddit 4chan and Twitter but 0 proof?
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 6:23 pm to
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Any legit proof he has left the country? I've seen the speculation but no proof. I've seen lots of speculation on reddit 4chan and Twitter but 0 proof?


Sir, this is the internet. It’s only good for fan-fiction, wild speculation, cat videos, and pornography.

If you seek proof, look elsewhere.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 6:23 pm to
It’s seems extremely unlikely this is serial killer , really doesn’t fit, they weren’t sexually abused etc, way too risky etc or drug killing etc. This is personal, close up, brutal, messy, this is someone that really hated one or more of these people for some reason. They cops appear to be way over their heads, they should have good PIs yesterday
Posted by bikerack
NH
Member since Sep 2011
2543 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 6:45 pm to
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Or he could have used Kaylee’s or Maddie’s dead fingers to dial the touch screen (assuming he knew BOTH their passcodes).


Well, you just said he used their fingers to dial....so....he could have done the same to unlock (or just hold it up for facial rec)
Posted by 1LoudTideFan
Member since May 2008
3683 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 6:48 pm to
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Any legit proof he has left the country? I've seen the speculation but no proof. I've seen lots of speculation on reddit 4chan and Twitter but 0 proof?


Yeah like others have said, it is all internet chatter. I can’t vouch for the validity of the claims.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 6:56 pm to
Maybe, I’m just saying the logistics of picking up the phone and staging phone calls, while presumably being drenched in blood, is kind of a tricky theory to put together. Who knows, maybe the killer (whoever he was) was smart enough to bring nitrile or latex gloves rather than just his gardening gloves or OJ-style leather gloves.
Posted by NastyNatiNole
Member since Sep 2014
760 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 7:06 pm to
Gotcha, looks like possibly Kenya from the stuff I just read. If someone made me pick a suspect out of all the players were aware of. Then yea this guy is #1.
Posted by NastyNatiNole
Member since Sep 2014
760 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 7:24 pm to
LE still can't seem to confirm Xana & Ethan movements after leaving the frat house. Seems odd a couple weeks later nobody seems to know where they went and what they did. Im pretty sure Xanas dad said Xana told him they were home watching a movie at midnight.

"Detectives continue investigating what occurred from approximately 9 p.m. on November 12th to 1:45 a.m. on November 13th, when Ethan Chapin and Xana Kernodle were believed to be at the Sigma Chi house on the University of Idaho Campus at 735 Nez Perce Drive. Any interactions, contacts, direction and method of travel, or anything abnormal could add context to what occurred."
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
26678 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 7:25 pm to
Massive update and release by PD:

LINK

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At this time in the investigation, detectives do not believe the following are involved in this crime:
• Two surviving roommates,
• Male in the Grub Truck surveillance video,
• Private party driver who took Kaylee and Madison home on November 13th,
• The male Kaylee and Madison called numerous times during the early morning hours of
November 13th,
• Any individual at the residence when 911 was called, or
• The individual on the lease who moved out of the residence before the school year
started and was not present at the time of the incident.


quote:

Detectives are seeking all outside surveillance video taken from 3 a.m. to 6 a.m. on Sunday, November 13th, from businesses and residences within the geographical area listed below. Detectives request all available videos – whether there appears to be motion and content or not.
• West Taylor Ave (north boundary)
• West Palouse River Dr (south boundary)
• Highway 95 south to the 2700 block of Highway 95 S (east boundary)
• Arboretum & Botanical Garden (west boundary)
This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 7:29 pm
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 7:31 pm to
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Detectives are seeking all outside surveillance video taken from 3 a.m. to 6 a.m. on Sunday, November 13th, from businesses and residences within the geographical area listed below. Detectives request all available videos – whether there appears to be motion and content or not. • West Taylor Ave (north boundary) • West Palouse River Dr (south boundary) • Highway 95 south to the 2700 block of Highway 95 S (east boundary) • Arboret


I know Taylor Avenue is right across from King Road, where the house is located. Hopefully, that video is still available and not been scrubbed over.
Posted by wasteland
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 7:32 pm to
The police don’t know shite
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
26678 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 7:36 pm to
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The police don’t know shite


I’m sure there is a bit more they know, that just can’t release because they don’t want to get even more false tips coming in.
Remember when someone was sure the DC Snipers were in a white van….then the FBI released that, so then everyone at all the following crime scenes recall seeing a white van….

If they say something like, we believe the killer was wearing XYZ shoes, then you might start getting 5000 calls from people saying they think they saw someone with those shoes on that night
Posted by NastyNatiNole
Member since Sep 2014
760 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 7:41 pm to
Correct me if I'm wrong but none of that update is "new".

Isn't there a "newer" update where they speak on the dog? Wasn't that today?

Found it. From today
There have been numerous requests about the dog found at the residence on the morning of November 13th. Arriving officers entered the residence and found the deceased victims. During the search of the home, a dog was found in a room where the crimes had not been committed. Officers did not find any evidence on the dog and there was no indication the animal had entered the crime scene. The dog was taken to Animal Services and released to a responsible person.

While the dog was in the house when officers arrived, it has not been determined where the dog was physically located when the murders took place
This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 7:44 pm
Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
32147 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 8:40 pm to
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Another interesting theory presented about the phone calls…that it was the jealous ex boyfriend calling himself immediately after the murders to bolster an alibi that he was busy/asleep elsewhere. The timeline appears to indicate the calls fall in the presumed window of the murders. Seems unlikely to me but it’s an interesting take.


Maybe she left a voicemail on one of those calls.

I still don't see how the murderer just vanished from the property. No video, no tire treads, no eye-witnesses, nothing.

It seems like that would be damn near impossible these days with Ring cameras and other personal security cams.
This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 8:46 pm
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