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Posted on 11/18/22 at 8:52 pm to
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
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Posted on 11/18/22 at 8:52 pm to
This was done by some random psycho or by a Ted Bundy wannabe type, someone who has been watching this house and these college girls for awhile.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 8:55 pm to
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Police rule out…food truck bystanders


Damn, and I thought the innocent shuffling around of a few drunk guys in hoodies on the sidewalk at 1:45 in the morning made them look suspicious.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 11/18/22 at 8:59 pm to
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a Ted Bundy wannabe


A Danny Rolling wannabe perhaps?
Posted by BOSCEAUX
Where the Down Boys go.
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 11/18/22 at 9:11 pm to
I’m almost to the point where whoever did this it’s not their first rodeo. 4 people with a knife with two other people in the house and escapes undetected. Just seems a little too clean for a crime of passion where emotions are involved.
Posted by bayou2
New Orleans, LA
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 11/18/22 at 9:11 pm to


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Weren’t they killed in Their bed?


All four victims did not die in their beds.

As you can see by the photo from the scene of the crime, there is a very large stream of blood running down the outside retain wall of the home.
If all four victims had been killed in their beds there would have been NO BLOOD. The blood would have been absorbed into the mattress like a giant sponge.
But if you notice the flooring in the hallway -- it's laminate, probably plastic coating to resist liquids such as water or blood
That means that any large amount of said liquid would run off. And by the look of the house, it may have had a slope - not level. So that liquid most probably pooled along the outside wall and drained down to the first floor and streamed on the outside wall of the house to the ground below.


Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 11/18/22 at 9:14 pm to
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A Danny Rolling wannabe perhaps?

Sure, Rolling emulated Bundy. Same kind of sicko.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25471 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 9:14 pm to
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Profilers are like weathermen. They still get paid even though they are wrong most of the time.


They’re probably still looking for that white man that killed all those women that Derrick Todd Lee killed…
Posted by gravy553
Member since Feb 2016
191 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 9:19 pm to
Possible multiple suspects?
Posted by bikerack
NH
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 11/18/22 at 9:21 pm to
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So 4 people know the truth? And they found not one, but two guys willing to viciously murder 4 other college kids because of late rent or drama?

I mean this isn’t hitman shite. This is vicious. Killing someone with a bladed weapon is messy and not always slow or simple or quiet.


I think its more likely that whoever killed the 4 didn't know the 2 girls were sleeping in another room.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 9:21 pm to
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Profilers are like weathermen. They still get paid even though they are wrong most of the time.


I was listening to a podcast with John Douglas recently, and I know everyone thinks he’s hot shite, but when he was talking about a profile he once did and the results when the profiled was finally caught, it sounded mostly like it was

1/3 wrong guesses
1/3 lucky guesses
1/3 obvious guesses (eg, “the man who raped and murdered the women was a male loner with women issues”)
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
130502 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 9:26 pm to
What if, and I’m just throwing this out there…his wasn’t the killers first kills?

I mean doing it stealthily with a bladed weapon? One would assume a novice would be too sloppy, if someone isn’t used to killing with a knife, (Are we certain it was a knife?) they wouldn’t know how to efficiently and silently slaughter all 4.

Either that or the roommates were in on it for some other reason
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25471 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 9:27 pm to
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1/3 wrong guesses
1/3 lucky guesses
1/3 obvious guesses (eg, “the man who raped and murdered the women was a male loner with women issues”)



That shouldn’t be too surprising. Trying to use a mostly soft science to make predictions should miss pretty often.
Posted by BOSCEAUX
Where the Down Boys go.
Member since Mar 2008
49825 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 9:28 pm to
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Posted by BOSCEAUX online on 11/18/22 at 9:11 pm to Saint Alfonzo I’m almost to the point where whoever did this it’s not their first rodeo. 4 people with a knife with two other people in the house and escapes undetected. Just seems a little too clean for a crime of passion where emotions are involved.


My thoughts exactly at the bottom of last page.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 9:29 pm to
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What if, and I’m just throwing this out there…his wasn’t the killers first kills? I mean doing it stealthily with a bladed weapon? One would assume a novice would be too sloppy, if someone isn’t used to killing with a knife, (Are we certain it was a knife?) they wouldn’t know how to efficiently and silently slaughter all 4. Either that or the roommates were in on it for some other reason


I mean, Danny Rolling got pretty good at knifing people real quick over the course of a single week, including a male victim who he got the jump on.

Some people are natural talents.
This post was edited on 11/18/22 at 9:31 pm
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
130502 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 9:29 pm to
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I think its more likely that whoever killed the 4 didn't know the 2 girls were sleeping in another room.



Or he’d had his fill. Think about it, the killer had cased the joint or was familiar with it. He’d have known how many people lived there.
This post was edited on 11/18/22 at 9:31 pm
Posted by BOSCEAUX
Where the Down Boys go.
Member since Mar 2008
49825 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 9:33 pm to
Have the police said anything about forced entry? The house had a key code lock. If no forced entry then the killer knew the code or was let in. This is the only thing stopping me from going all in on random psycho serial killer.

The random psycho could still be a local that attended parties and got the code on the sly.
This post was edited on 11/18/22 at 9:36 pm
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
130502 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 9:38 pm to
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Have the police said anything about forced entry? The house had a key code lock. If no forced entry then the killer knew the code or was let in. This is the only thing stopping me from going all in on random psycho serial killer.


Or he‘s cased the joint and knew that due to so many people in and out of the house they didn’t always lock the sliding door. Or that the lock was easily defeated. Hell, he could have been waiting in the house for them. He could have been there for the couple, and then the other two came home…langiappe.

But I’d be grilling the other roommates pretty hard right now if I were on this case. Something is fishy
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 9:43 pm to
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But I’d be grilling the other roommates pretty hard right now if I were on this case. Something is fishy


Something isn’t adding up, but it could just be they played quiet mouse when they heard screaming downstairs and are reluctant to say anything due to shame or because they know even an excuse like “playing mouse” still sounds suspicious.

Edit: If they were involved in a hit on their housemates, it still seems more reasonable for the hit men to employ guns rather than knifes and for there to at least be the staging of a robbery.
This post was edited on 11/18/22 at 9:45 pm
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
130502 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 9:48 pm to
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If they were involved in a hit on their housemates, it still seems more reasonable for the hit men to employ guns rather than knifes and for there to at least be the staging of a robbery



Bingo.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
19979 posts
Posted on 11/18/22 at 9:57 pm to
Killing with a knife is much more personal than shooting someone. It can’t be done from a distance. That also means that the assailant or assailants would have been covered in blood of not just one victim but four. It would be next to impossible for the other roommates to commit the murders and not leave a mountain of evidence all over their room, shower, clothes, their vehicles and so on. To me this sounds like the only motive for the crime is that they just wanted to kill for the sake of killing. If it was a beef with a particular individual in the house it doesn’t make sense to continue to go room to room killing the others while they sleep.
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