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Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:25 pm to
Posted by berrycajun
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:25 pm to
I think in that screenshot from the tik tok video, Xana (impersonating Dylan)
is emerging from the kitchen. Bryan turned into the kitchen.

I believe Bryan was coming from where the person videoing that part of the tik tok video (the screenshot) is standing, the living room.

From Xana’s room, he had to go through the living room then take a right into the kitchen.

In the below floor plan, the red arrow is his path from Xana’s room to the kitchen, and the D is Dylan’s location.

Posted by NATidefan
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:30 pm to
Yeah, I agree. Which goes with Chicken's thought that he killed the two upstairs first.
Posted by berrycajun
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:30 pm to
Some say Kaylee may have heard Maddie being killed and went into her room and was killed in there thus found in Maddie’s bed. Maddie had a twin bed, so it makes sense, no idea if this is true. I just keep seeing that everywhere. I would certainly sleep in my bed rather than cramming in a twin….

Doesn’t really matter. Just makes me wonder about the dog. Did he lock the dog BACK into Kaylee’s room?
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 11:35 pm
Posted by tunechi
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:37 pm to
quote:

Not sure why anyone is confused about this. These are college students who were partying that night. The killer probably shut their doors after killing them. College students sleeping until 11:00am the morning after partying is rather normal. The surviving roommates probably didn't suspect anything immediately upon waking. Maybe the lack of responses to texts or knocks triggered a closer look into the rooms. Don't forget the suvivors were awake at 4:30am so they'd definitely be sleeping real late, too. I don't see anything suspicious about this time-line.


Dude, have you read any of the affidavit?
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:39 pm to
quote:

What I was questioning was the guy that said they saw each other, and locked eyes


I don’t see why this is such a big deal. The guy just murdered 4 people with a knife. His adrenaline would have been through the roof as he made his way out of the house. High levels of adrenaline leads to tunnel vision which is the shrinking of a person’s periphery. Your field of vision is greatly reduced. Him walking right past her as she remained frozen (her words) and not seeing her is a very real possibility and the most likely explanation.
Posted by berrycajun
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:42 pm to
It hasn’t been confirmed that the bedroom doors were locked the next morning when Xana and Bethany woke up.

They must have SEEN something in at least one of the bedrooms before calling 911, however, because
Kaylee’s dad said the following today:
quote:

You got to remember these two girls were so upset that when they went outside after seeing this ... one passed out," he said. "And the other one was so hyperventilating that the message wasn’t clear enough for the operator."


https://www.today.com/news/idaho-slayings-father-bryan-kohberger-court-appearance-rcna64575

I’m assuming Bethany passed out since Dylan made the call

This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 11:43 pm
Posted by Delacroix22
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:47 pm to
Here’s my thought and summary

1. BK enters through sliding glass door

2. Goes upstairs to murder his prime target Kaylee. Maddie there too in same bed.

3. Dylan reports hearing a noise thinking it’s Kaylee playing with her dog.

4. Xana and Ethan still awake. They hear noise.

5. Xana (not Kaylee as most believe, I think they’re dead or in the act of being murdered) says “I think there is someone here.” As Dylan reported hearing.

6. Ethan leaves bedroom to inspect. BK comes downstairs.

7. BK kills Ethan in hallway and he collapses in hallway bathroom.

8. Xana is hiding in bedroom cowering in fear.

9. BK enters room. Says “here let me help you”. As Dylan reported hearing.

10. BK kills Xana in her bedroom. Security camera on hoise next door picks up whimpering and loud thud which is Xana being murdered at 4:18ish. The final victim.

11. BK leaves her bedroom. Walks down hallway with his line of sight to the stairway leading to Kaylee and Maddie’s room which has the adjacent door to Dylan’s bedroom.

12. Dylan either peeks through cracked door or opens it to see BK in mask. And he turns right and exits sliding glass door.
Posted by berrycajun
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:48 pm to
Agreed. I don’t think he saw her based on the 3d virtual tour and floor plan and mindset. He was making a beeline for that kitchen, so likely just looking right. Body tuning to the right.

Everyone can probably find a similar door and cased opening situation in their house (not with the same rooms but you get my meaning) and once you do, it makes more sense. He didn’t see her.
Posted by berrycajun
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:58 pm to
Back to the knife and disposing of it. Granite lake park is just 4 mins from Kate’s cup of Joe where he went after the murders. Granite lake park is on snake river



It’s right on the WA Idaho border and where 2 rivers split. Here’s more if a birds eye view


Here’s some pics of the park (there’s a bunch online)
He could have easily walked to this part of the park


I’m not sure where this part is or how big the park is….


Posted by berrycajun
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 12:03 am to
He’s not popular in prison. They’re already threatening to kill him. lol
quote:

Bryan Kohberger reportedly quipped that he traveled to the town where the four University of Idaho students were killed because the “shopping is better in Idaho” — as he was hounded in Pennsylvania jail by an inmate who threatened to kill him. The quadruple murder suspect was threatened as he sat behind a glass screen inside his cell after he was arrested at his parents’ home in Albrightsville on Dec. 30, a source told NewsNation.


quote:

“F— you! I’m going to kill you!” a fellow inmate told Kohberger with his middle finger raised, according to the source, who said the accused killer looked “creepy” and did not appear remorseful.


https://nypost.com/2023/01/06/bryan-kohberger-received-a-death-threat-in-penn-jail-report/?utm_source=nypost&utm_campaign=android_nyp



Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 12:04 am to
I I don’t think it’s so much that he turned his head. Remember, she said he had bushy eyebrows, which indicates to me that she saw him either head-on or at an angle, but she saw the front of his face enough to notice them. If he’s experiencing tunnel vision as a result of all the adrenaline in his body, his field of vision is going to be a very narrow point in front of him. If she’s not standing directly in his narrow line of sight, he’s not gonna see her.
Posted by berrycajun
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 12:12 am to
They removed both of the mattresses today. You can see one covered in blood :(

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11608243/Idaho-State-Police-begin-clearing-Moscow-rental-home-students-murdered.html?ico=related-replace


This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 12:21 am
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
69860 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 12:24 am to
That picture is chilling. I feel for those kids and their families



Far too young
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 12:36 am
Posted by berrycajun
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 12:27 am to
Yeah she had the vantage viewpoint so could see him clearly. He was coming from the den towards her but she was on the side.

like at a wedding. She’s like a guest in a pew and he’s like the bride walking down the aisle and the kitchen is his groom. He’s not looking at her, the guest slightly up ahead but on the side in the pew. like a bride, he’s just focusing on his target - the kitchen so he can GTFO.
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
11559 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 12:29 am to
Kohberger joined online discussion groups before his arrest to share chilling details of the slayings.

Check out the photo he used, all in black with gloves and headlight/cell phone.

In one post to the group flagged by Coffinadaffer, Rodgers wrote: 'Of the evidence released, the murder weapon has been consistent as a large fixed blade knife. This leads me to believe they found the sheath.'

Rodgers appeared to insist that the sheath was real and even butted heads with other members about it, who accused him of communicating 'like a serial killer.'

LINK

Posted by WinnaSez
Jackson, MS
Member since Mar 2019
1247 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 12:51 am to
quote:

They knock on the door, etc, look in the window with the ladder and then call the police.


Why the ladder???
Girls wake up at noon after something obviously weird went down in their house the previous night and they don’t enter their roommates’ rooms for whatever reason. Instead they call friends over to look through exterior windows via a ladder.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
20010 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 1:13 am to
quote:

This leads me to believe they found the sheath.'


Notice the language here. He said “the sheath” not “a sheath”. It’s not a speculative statement, it’s a definitive statement. When news of police searching for a particular k bar style knife broke, people with no real knowledge speculated as to why they were looking for that specific style of knife.

You could say “maybe they found a sheath”? That’s pretty speculative.

However, this person said they found “the sheath”. That’s definitive because it indicates they know the sheath of the knife was lost. It also hints to the fact that this person has enough knowledge about the K bar and its sheath to know the discovery of the sheath would definitely identify the type of knife used. How many people here knew the K Bar sheath is inscribed with K Bar and USMC? I certainly didn’t and I’m someone who knew exactly what a K Bar knife was and what it looked like simply by name alone.
Posted by LSUintheNW
At your mom’s house
Member since Aug 2009
36595 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 1:24 am to
quote:

and where 2 rivers split. 


Not trying to be an arse, just saying.

The Clearwater river is joining the Snake river and it flows west where the Snake dumps into the Columbia which ends at the Pacific Ocean.
Posted by berrycajun
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2016
7067 posts
Posted on 1/7/23 at 2:25 am to
I think there were 2 targets:
Maddie, the face of mad Greek, and waitress there and Xana, a waitress there. I think he had interactions with them there that HE found significant, but they did not. Or they may have just shrugged him off as a creeper but weren’t really worried about it.

Difference in my Theory is based on the order in which the judge read the charges and victims names
She started with entering the house:

Burglary, you would be sentenced to…if found guilty…do you understand

The murder of Maddie Mogen…you would be sentenced to…do you understand

The murder of Kaylee Goncalves…you would be sentenced to...do you understand

The murder of Xana Kernodle…you would be sentenced to…do you understand

The murder of Ethan Chapin…you would be sentenced to…do you understand

Xana was tik tocking til 4:12am, so i believe she heard Maddie and Kaylee being killed above (like Dylan, she wasn’t sure what she was hearing, but she heard something “off”) and got out of bed started to walk towards her door but wanted Ethan to wake up so she said someones here

right then Bryan enters her room and she starts crying. He stabbed her a few times in the doorway area of her room but IN the room.

As he’s doing this he notices Ethan in the bed and releases Xana then goes after Ethan. He stabs Ethan numerous times and he stabs him with great force because Ethan is a big threat (6’4”). He wants to make sure he eliminates him as a threat.

Meanwhile Xana is crying on the floor. She’s not dead but injured badly. So bryan goes to her and says don’t worry I’ll help you. He picks her up in some way off the floor and she whimpers and he then slashes her a few times to end her life once and for all :(
I hate to even type that

So xana was listed b4 Ethan by the judge because bryan attacked her before Ethan.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 2:36 am
Posted by berrycajun
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 2:26 am to
Meh. I was looking at it on my phone/driving directions. Looks like the 10-12 split but water ;)
My point was there’s some rivers that the map said would take 4 minutes to walk to.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 2:29 am
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