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re: I was a member of the jury on the Garrett Ward trial. AMA.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:22 pm to Reluctantjuror
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:22 pm to Reluctantjuror
Everyone in America should know by now that eyewitness testimony is horribly unreliable. If you didn’t already know that then the “hands up don’t shoot” nonsense should’ve educated you. I get that eyewitness testimony might be all you have. But if that’s the case, and none of the eyewitnesses seem particularly trustworthy, then perhaps the “beyond reasonable doubt” standard was not met.
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Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:22 pm to Eighteen
I don’t remember the exact proportions but on first first everyone except for one was for either manslaughter or murder.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:23 pm to Reluctantjuror
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Yes fuller made a stink of it but basically the prosecution said that no one cared about it because ward never said anything about a mugging much less being cut. Defense kept arguing that the police camera video of blood being on his hands was proof. But ward never told anyone about any cut and denied treatment by ems and was not indicated to have any wounds when he got to opp. He only produced any evidence literally the last day of trial when he said he magically found a picture on his phone of his hand with a cut on it,
Ok thank you for clearing that up. Yea that’s pretty damning for the knife defense.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:24 pm to Reluctantjuror
No you werent
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:24 pm to Reluctantjuror
quote:Did they provide any information which proved when the photo was taken?
Defense kept arguing that the police camera video of blood being on his hands was proof. But ward never told anyone about any cut and denied treatment by ems and was not indicated to have any wounds when he got to opp. He only produced any evidence literally the last day of trial when he said he magically found a picture on his phone of his hand with a cut on it,
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:26 pm to Reluctantjuror
quote:You wanted murder?
I don’t remember the exact proportions but on first first everyone except for one was for either manslaughter or murder.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:26 pm to Korkstand
The initial vote was 1 for self defense and everyone else for murder or manslaughter. I can’t remember the exact proposition. We got to 10 for murder and 2 for manslaughter based on the belief that the last blows which Jackson ended up dying from were unnecessary for self defense. He was on the ground and begging for help before ward kicked him.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:27 pm to biglego
quote:A man is dead and there is no doubt who caused it. How is there doubt about manslaughter?
perhaps the “beyond reasonable doubt” standard was not met.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:30 pm to Reluctantjuror
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He was on the ground and begging for help before ward kicked him.
Was this only brought by the one witness you deemed "reliable?" Or did the other witnesses that you felt were unreliable also corroborate this same thing happening?
Because eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, and you already admitted that two weren't believable. I'm curious what made the one (or more) you DID believe more credible?
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:31 pm to Reluctantjuror
quote:Which witnesses were the ones who heard him begging for help?
We got to 10 for murder and 2 for manslaughter based on the belief that the last blows which Jackson ended up dying from were unnecessary for self defense. He was on the ground and begging for help before ward kicked him.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:33 pm to Korkstand
As far as we were made aware.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:36 pm to Korkstand
The couple that broke up the fight.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:37 pm to RazorBroncs
We thought everyone lied to some extent except the couple who saw Jackson walking down the street and subsequently saw ward beating on him.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:37 pm to biglego
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Everyone in America should know by now that eyewitness testimony is horribly unreliable. If you didn’t already know that then the “hands up don’t shoot” nonsense should’ve educated you. I get that eyewitness testimony might be all you have. But if that’s the case, and none of the eyewitnesses seem particularly trustworthy, then perhaps the “beyond reasonable doubt” standard was not met.
Translation: “I’m really sad that the white kid in a perils sweater like mine ended up being a piece of shite, rage monger, murderer.”
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:41 pm to Korkstand
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A man is dead and there is no doubt who caused it. How is there doubt about manslaughter?
Self defense does exist. Not all deaths caused by another person have to fall into two categories - murder or manslaughter.
It just so happens that murder and manslaughter have a very high bar to meet for undisputed proof, it should be beyond all reasonable doubt. This incredibly high standard protects us all against unfair trials and judgements, and it sounds like the state didn't meet that standard here.
But we're also getting our info from a random poster on TD, who most likely just wants attention and isn't giving us the full picture even if he were actually a juror
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:47 pm to UPT
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Translation: “I’m really sad that the white kid in a perils sweater like mine ended up being a piece of shite, rage monger, murderer.”
Project much?
You actually picked one of the more reasonable and thought-provoking posts in this thread to inject your racist and classist world view into
Keep viewing the world through that lens of yours, while claiming everyone else is the problem
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:48 pm to Reluctantjuror
Can you tell me why the Hubble space telescope can see a freckle on a frog's arse from 5 billion light years away, but can't take a photo of the Apollo 11 landing site on the Moon?
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