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re: I was a member of the jury on the Garrett Ward trial. AMA.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:04 pm to Reluctantjuror
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:04 pm to Reluctantjuror
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The only people that said they saw the actual beginning of the alercation were both quite unreliable to include ward himself.
Then what evidence do you have to convict? Let alone jurors convicting of freaking murder. Yeesh
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Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:05 pm to The Boat
And then put it back into his pocket before the cops and ems came to tend to him?
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:05 pm to Reluctantjuror
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She said she was riding her bike down st Charles and saw Jackson sitting in front of the convenience store when ward came up to him and started beating him.
That doesn’t make sense to me.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:07 pm to Reluctantjuror
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And then put it back into his pocket bedore the cops and ems came to tend to him?
Did any witnesses tend to him while waiting for EMS? Could one of them have put it back in his pocket?
Again, would have been nice to have this knife as evidence. You would think prosecution would have it tested to prove it was clean to strengthen their case
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:07 pm to Eighteen
No one believed his self defense claim because he was all over the place the entire trial and no one thought if he was being mugged that the beat down and eventual death warranted being pickpocketed which no one proved.
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:08 pm to Reluctantjuror
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And then put it back into his pocket bedore the cops and ems came to tend to him?
Same goes for if he pulled it to attack Ward. It wouldn't have ended up back in his pocket. Seems like a non-story for this case.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:09 pm to Eighteen
No one said they tended to him before the cops and ems started. Defense tried to argue that Jackson’s friend could have have done it but no one believed that he actually did.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:10 pm to Eighteen
It was manslaughter I think
JMO but it always seemed like Ward just continued to beat the absolute shite out of a man who was already down which deserves the sentence he got
JMO but it always seemed like Ward just continued to beat the absolute shite out of a man who was already down which deserves the sentence he got
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:11 pm to The Boat
The cops noticed it clipped it to his pocket. No one believed that given the the circumstances that he cut ward then before or while being beaten he folded it back and clipped it back to his pocket,
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:12 pm to Sun God
I agree with manslaughter.
I’m just shocked at how little evidence there was, it sounds like it was just he said/she said and 10 of 12 wanted murder on first vote. That’s wild to me
I’m just shocked at how little evidence there was, it sounds like it was just he said/she said and 10 of 12 wanted murder on first vote. That’s wild to me
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:12 pm to Sun God
Yes we voted to convict for manslaughter
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:13 pm to TigerNlc
Which is why we didn’t believe her.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:13 pm to Eighteen
quote:When someone is beaten to death and nobody denies who did it, it kind of has to be manslaughter right?
Then what evidence do you have to convict?
quote:This part is kind of unbelievable. How many wanted murder? 10?
Let alone jurors convicting of freaking murder. Yeesh
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:15 pm to Eighteen
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I’m just shocked at how little evidence there was, it sounds like it was just he said/she said and 10 of 12 wanted murder on first vote. That’s wild to me
If OP is legit about the makeup of the jury it makes perfect sense
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:16 pm to Korkstand
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When someone is beaten to death and nobody denies who did it, it kind of has to be manslaughter right?
Sure, but if he was truly black out drunk and had a claim of “self defense” (weak, made up, true to him in his drunken state, or whatever) I was still expecting more evidence to disprove his story or to have someone who saw the beginning of the altercation
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at the end it was 10 for 2nd and 2 for manslaughter. No one wanted to see another trial so we all switched to manslaughter
From OP earlier^
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:16 pm to Eighteen
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I agree with manslaughter.
I’m just shocked at how little evidence there was, it sounds like it was just he said/she said and 10 of 12 wanted murder on first vote. That’s wild to me
This. I would probably lean towards manslaughter if I were forced into an answer, but it doesn't sound like the state proved its case without a shred of doubt (like the legal standard says).
It sounds like there was very little actual evidence to PROVE his guilt and it was a mostly circumstantial case, which makes it ripe for an appeal
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:17 pm to Reluctantjuror
quote:Did you say that Ward was never treated for injuries after the incident?
No one believed that given the the circumstances that he cut ward then before or while being beaten he folded it back and clipped it back to his pocket,
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:18 pm to REG861
Yes fuller made a stink of it but basically the prosecution said that no one cared about it because ward never said anything about a mugging much less being cut.
Defense kept arguing that the police camera video of blood being on his hands was proof. But ward never told anyone about any cut and denied treatment by ems and was not indicated to have any wounds when he got to opp. He only produced any evidence literally the last day of trial when he said he magically found a picture on his phone of his hand with a cut on it,
Defense kept arguing that the police camera video of blood being on his hands was proof. But ward never told anyone about any cut and denied treatment by ems and was not indicated to have any wounds when he got to opp. He only produced any evidence literally the last day of trial when he said he magically found a picture on his phone of his hand with a cut on it,
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:18 pm to Reluctantjuror
Was there ever a discussion amongst the jury about the possibility of “mostly peaceful” protests if Ward had been found not guilty?
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 6/27/22 at 11:21 pm to Reluctantjuror
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But ward never told anyone about any cut and denied treatment by ems and was not indicated to have any wounds when he got to opp.
How much time was elapsed between the fight and this treatment/cop discussion in the parking garage? If he was truly blackout drunk at the time of the fight he would still be pretty intoxicated for awhile after right? What did cops and EMS say his mental state was? Or was this at a later date?
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 11:23 pm
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