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re: I Refused To Help a Sr Manager from Another Department
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:31 am to Blutarsky
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:31 am to Blutarsky
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Definitely, but in the long run, this helps everyone.
This is why you don't see the loop. Doing somebody's job for them doesn't help in the long run. That is your issue here.
They aren't asking the OP to trian the person, they aren't asking the OP to supervise and assist when issues come up, they are just asking the OP to do the work. That helps nobody except for the CFO to continue to have a deficient department but not look bad.
If the request being made was that the OP help supervise the project and be a resource when they have questions and they refused, that would be unreasonable. Being asked to just do 3/4 the project for someone is not a reasonable request and doesn't help train the new person and doesn't help develop the people in the positions that should be doing the task. Which is how you get a department where at a minimum 3 people can't complete this task.
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:31 am to Blutarsky
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The OP says he can do everything without issue. If you’re that fricking good, it would be easy to impart that knowledge to help someone else.
Is he doing more than his current job? Definitely, but in the long run, this helps everyone.
The OP already admitted they were only asking for 10 hours of his time. The prior manager left due to “burnout” too so they probably had to thrust the new person in fairly quickly. Talk about mountain out of a mole hill.
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And like I said, if he refused, and it pissed off the CFO, he’s already started burning the ladder for advancement and better pay.
And that’s not even considering this. All you have to do is make one enemy in the C Suite and you’re boned. Absolutely retarded office politics by the OP. Melted over a 10 hour ask to make his life worse for the duration of his time at the company. These people control the money, they can royally bone operations in they want to
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:31 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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For asking for 10 hours of one time help for a newly promoted person?
fricking idiot
If that's what you believe, one of us is certainly an idiot. It isn't me.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:32 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Same here..
People that I don’t even know me in the company, know my name because of my willingness to assist.
..and my job helps keep your lights on.
People that I don’t even know me in the company, know my name because of my willingness to assist.
..and my job helps keep your lights on.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:32 am to imjustafatkid
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If that's what you believe, one of us is certainly an idiot. It isn't me.
That’s exactly what the OP said
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:33 am to littleavery1948
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Am I being unreasonable?
Doesn’t matter what we think.
Wanna take a guess on who matters what they think?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:34 am to imjustafatkid
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imjustafatkid
Amazing to witness, but then again, this thread exemplifies why so many departments are completely inept. The few do the work of the many and don't understand why nobody can ever do anything
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:35 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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sounds like you and a few others have never worked in a professional environment
No, what I said is directly related to my 20+ years of experience in professional environments. I've been directly involved in or witnessed all three of those scenarios.
Trying to help someone at the C-level in a situation like this actually set my career back 2 years when I was new to my career field. I didnt know it at the time, but I had to work through the perception that her work product was partially due to my assistance after she was fired. I found out later I was only not fired because I was so new and it took them a while to figure out I had nothing to do with her incompetence.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 11:37 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:36 am to Blutarsky
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People that I don’t even know me in the company, know my name because of my willingness to assist.
Counter argument, they know you because they know they can get you to do their job for them.
There are two sides to this. Assisting those that need help is a good thing. Again, completely different thing than just doing somebody's job for them.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:37 am to imjustafatkid
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No, what I said is directly related to my 20+ years of experience in professional environments. I've been directly involved in or witnessed all three of those scenarios.
You’ve been working 20 years and your remote low level management? Oof
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:37 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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This is why you don't see the loop. Doing somebody's job for them doesn't help in the long run. That is your issue here.
No. You don’t see the issue.
He helps, the person learns, everyone is happy.
Like I said, if he’s that fricking good, it’s a one time thing and it benefits everyone.
If you’re stuck in the, that’s not my job, I won’t do it, mindset, and it makes upper management mad, you severely limit your future advancement at the company.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:38 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Amazing to witness, but then again, this thread exemplifies why so many departments are completely inept. The few do the work of the many and don't understand why nobody can ever do anything
Exactly. I am glad to work for a company that completely rejects the idea that other departments should be filling in for positions that are fully staffed. If I have to do your work for you, then you shouldn't have a job.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 11:39 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:38 am to Blutarsky
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He helps, the person learns, everyone is happy.
What does the person learn by someone else doing their job for them? Please explain that one.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:40 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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You’ve been working 20 years and your remote low level management? Oof
The answer to your question is simple: no.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 11:40 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:40 am to Baers Foot
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Always. Be. Helping.
At my location you will end up being "Always.Be.Voluntold" to go help those who can't help themselves.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:40 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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What does the person learn by someone else doing their job for them?
This isn’t what they asked for
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:41 am to imjustafatkid
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The answer to your question is simple: no.
What do you do then? You’re in accounting and you work remote.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:41 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Counter argument, they know you because they know they can get you to do their job for them.
Like the OP, I’m that fricking good, and it’s always a quick turnaround; usually less than an hour.
Now, if it’s clearly defined and someone else’s job, I will defer to that person if they have yet to be contacted.
Usually, I’m working with the main Engineer(s) in unison, to resolve it quickly.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:42 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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What do you do then? You’re in accounting and you work remote.
Yep. You nailed it. But no, I am not low level management.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:42 am to Cuz413
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At my location you will end up being "Always.Be.Voluntold" to go help those who can't help themselves.
Say yes when there is something in it for you. Say no if there’s not or you truly don’t have the capacity. Pretty simple concept. This wasn’t a big ask.
Certainly handle it with more tact than the OP described
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