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re: I just turned down "the vaccine". Update pg 13.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:11 pm to Jyrdis
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:11 pm to Jyrdis
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Congrats. You’ve shown again to not answer my questions but introduce just another strawman.
The frick are you talking about? Clinicaltrials.gov. It's all there. If you can't find it that's your shortcoming.
Also, I don't think you know what "strawman" means, because your use of it there made no sense (not surprised).
Here are the published safety and efficacy results in NEJM. This took me around 2 minutes to find. So again, it's telling that you couldn't find any of this.
LINK
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 10:17 pm
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Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:16 pm to NIH
Okay. Explain to me the rationale for a young, healthy person to get this vaccine.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:16 pm to supadave3
quote:JFC
When I asked why, she stated it’s proven to have longer lasting immunity than the actual virus.
No, this is not ‘proven’.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:17 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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The frick are you talking about? Clinicaltrials.gov. It's all there. If you can't find it that's your shortcoming.
Also, I don't think you know what "strawman" means, because your use of it there made no sense (not surprised).
Please tell me what data there addresses my original question. If you can’t find it, then the “strawman” comment applies.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:17 pm to omarlittle
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Okay. Explain to me the rationale for a young, healthy person to get this vaccine.
Holy fricking facepalm.
Here's an exercise....google "why should people get vaccines"?
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:18 pm to omarlittle
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Okay. Explain to me the rationale for a young, healthy person to get this vaccine.
You can get it. You can spread it.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:19 pm to Jyrdis
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Please tell me what data there addresses my original question. If you can’t find it, then the “strawman” comment applies.
holy shite...are you still talking about the "did one group act differently than the other" thing? If so, you need to walk away from that. It's making you look really foolish. 
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:19 pm to omarlittle
The entire point of vaccines is creating enough immunity to protect those most vulnerable/unable to be vaccinated. It's why anti-vax people belong in hell.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:21 pm to Jyrdis
Are you implying that people who got the placebo knew they got the placebo so that they could go out and get infected on purpose? Or that people knew they got the vaccine just locked themselves inside for months?
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:21 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Here's an exercise....google "why should people get vaccines"?
Exercise completed. Now why should I care about the “10 reasons why”? Give me a concrete example.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:22 pm to hendersonshands
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Are you implying that people who got the placebo knew they got the placebo so that they could go out and get infected on purpose? Or that people knew they got the vaccine just locked themselves inside for months?
It's boggling my mind where he's coming from with that. I'm not sure he knows what "double blind" means. But apparently I'm building a strawman by telling him he's a moron for chasing this, which I also don't understand. The term strawman doesn't apply to any part of this.
ETA: Though I would go so far as to say that he's grasping at straws.
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:22 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
Don’t care if I get it. If others are worried about it, can’t they get the vaccine to protect themselves from me?
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:23 pm to omarlittle
Bless your heart.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:24 pm to hendersonshands
Who’s unable to get one?
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:25 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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holy shite...are you still talking about the "did one group act differently than the other" thing? If so, you need to walk away from that. It's making you look really foolish.
Yet another strawman. You should go back to whatever CVS you work for because it’s painfully obvious you don’t understand experimental design or higher level statistics.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:25 pm to Jyrdis
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So you can speak to the limitations that Pfizer didn’t? I’m all ears. Go ahead and discuss the statistics regarding averages, standard deviations and margins of error of the behavioral processes of the participants. Also, please discuss the endogenous covariates that were likely to arise due to participation. Did the trial analysis go through univariate or multivariate analysis? What was the statistical design of the results? Was it modeled as a stochastic process? Please fill me in on all that Pfizer didn’t.
Just curious, do you ask the same of every medication you’ve ever taken?
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:25 pm to Jyrdis
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Yet another strawman. You should go back to whatever CVS you work for because it’s painfully obvious you don’t understand experimental design or higher level statistics.
Funny you mention CVS though...I'm about to close a deal with them
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:26 pm to The Torch
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We've all been vaccinated all our lives
I have never taken a vaccine that was developed last week.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:27 pm to hendersonshands
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Are you implying that people who got the placebo knew they got the placebo so that they could go out and get infected on purpose? Or that people knew they got the vaccine just locked themselves inside for months?
Yikes. I’m implying that we have no idea how people acted in the trial. They may have gone about their everyday lives as normal or became a hermit. Pfizer did not mention this in their limitations.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:27 pm to concrete_tiger
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I have never taken a vaccine that was developed last week.
Aside from the fact that it wasn't developed "last week" and has been tested in around 70,000 people, is your suggestion that drugs that are new are all dangerous? Quite the opposite actually.
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