re: I just turned down "the vaccine". Update pg 13.

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TigerBlood17

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You may be the most obtuse poster in this thread and that's saying something.

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Now look who is making assumptions.

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Because we are comparing a whole class of medications to another class of medications. You know how assumptions work, right? If you want to talk about the adverse effects of Advil versus a specific vaccine series, we can talk about that.

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That would be great except for the CDC saying this for those who have received the vaccine:

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Yes. While experts learn more about the protection that COVID-19 vaccines provide under real-life conditions, it will be important for everyone to continue using all the tools available to us to help stop this pandemic, like covering your mouth and nose with a mask, washing hands often, and staying at least 6 feet away from others.

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Sigh.

The vaccine isn’t 100% effective.

If you take the chickenpox vaccine and you’re dropped off in a modern American town, you can go about your day as normal. If you get dropped off in sub-Saharan Africa, your chances of getting chickenpox go up substantially.

The prevalence of a virus in a population dictates the risk, and while being vaccinated certainly helps you, the encounters you have in the early stages of vaccination campaigns are quite one sided.

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What’s the downside of taking the vaccine? Other than you being an anti-vaxxer? Or just being “‘Murica to the bone, they’re coming for us all!”

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The average vaccine is developed in 5-10 years. This vaccine was developed in 8 months. That's a little scary. Flu vaccines are time proven. This one isn't. I'm mid 40s and very healthy. I see very little risk if I ever do get COVID. Why should I take it?? It poses no risk to me. My parents are in their 70s.... They will get it. And I'm happy for them. But I see absolutely no reason for me to get it. One might call me selfish, but I think it's selfish for others to ask me to get it to protect them.

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My parents are in their 70s.... They will get it. And I'm happy for them.

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Good.

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But I see absolutely no reason for me to get it.

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Roughly 10% chance that you could still infect your parents even after they take the vaccine, but you do you.

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The average vaccine is developed in 5-10 years. This vaccine was developed in 8 months. That's a little scary.

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It's not scary if you understand the process that vaccines (and other meds) are regularly approved under and what was reduced. It wasn't the actual human trial phases that were reduced. It was the bureaucratic process for approving the studies (i.e. reduced time going before an IRB, funding (this is a huge one), etc.).

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The point is that the COVID vaccine (pfizer, moderna, etc.) could be perfectly harmless. Or it could cause adverse side affects worse than the actual virus both short or long term. You don't know, Dr Fauci doesn't know, no one knows for sure. this has to be considered when deciding to take the vaccine or not. And I hope I am eventually proven wrong and everyone who takes the vaccine is perfectly fine years down the road.

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"I don't know what the vaccine will do, so I'll take my chances with the novel virus that also has unknown long term effects"

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You don't know, Dr Fauci doesn't know, no one knows for sure. this has to be considered when deciding to take the vaccine or not.

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But we have set up a systematic way of determining risk, a method that has been tried and tested for a whole number of things with regards to medical care. Medications, procedures, vaccines, and interventions all have been vetted in the same way (or at least there has been serious attempts to vet them this way). The type of certainty that you seem to be seeking is impossible, given that the science of everything in modern life, including foods that you eat that could potentially modulate cancer pathways, is about the range of possibilities and reducing those possibilities as much as possible.

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symptomless virus.

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I’ve had it. It’s not symptomless.

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he point is that the COVID vaccine (pfizer, moderna, etc.) could be perfectly harmless. Or it could cause adverse side affects worse than the actual virus both short or long term.

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Sure. Same can be said of Covid-19 itself.