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re: How would you handle the arrest of this woman?
Posted on 8/25/19 at 5:02 pm to davyjones
Posted on 8/25/19 at 5:02 pm to davyjones
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So she gets police called out for something she didnt do,
She got the police called on her for setting off the car alarm. Are you denying she did that?
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arrested for something she didnt do
People get arrested for stuff they didn't do every day. That's why courts exist.
She was arrested for failure to obey and obstruction, which she did do, and was ultimately convicted of the crimes. So clearly the courts felt she committed a crime. He told her she was detained and not free to leave. She tried to pull away and committed a crime in doing so. Stop acting like she's innocent.
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lost her shite over being arrested for something she didnt do and received severe injury in the process
She shouldn't have became belligerent and tried to flee. She could have just waited until they contacted the owner of the vehicle and concluded the investigation. But she was being a belligerent drunk.
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all justifiable because she was a drunk bitch?
Yes, everything that happened was brought on by her own actions and exacerbated by her drunkenness.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 5:11 pm
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Posted on 8/25/19 at 5:17 pm to davyjones
Lets act like a busted nose is severe injury now
Posted on 8/25/19 at 5:41 pm to Barstools
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People get arrested for stuff they didn't do every day. That's why courts exist.
Im picking this out because to me it's the keystone. Sure, the cop came to begin with bc of the car alarm. By the way, unbelievably for a 911 call from neighbors of her ex-husband who knew who she was, not a stranger....what their motives were is curious to me. You'd think if she was so estranged and cut off from and according to the neighbors a trespasser of his property....you'd think if it were to that adversarial extent the ex-husband himself would have called the police on this drunken threat. Cop was incapable of forming that relevant consideration.
Cop further poo poo'd on the absolute and elmentary necessity to further determine the relationship between the ex-spouses and associated permission issues.
So yeah, arrests of innocent people do occur but rarely to this extent of blatant disregard of case investigation 101 thought processes. It is the cop that makes arrests and it is the cop that has the responsibility to at least practice minimally acceptable standards before making an arrest.
To justify such a poor exercise of his duties and obligations with her actions that havent a thing to do with his blatant disregard is, well, I dont even know what to say about that. It's shocking to someone who reviews many felony criminal cases from cover to cover. Ive not seen dereliction of duty to this extent.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 5:48 pm to yellowfin
It's slipped by you that she's saying she's suffered some level of brain damage from that slightly more than minor face slap on concrete floor that I cringed upon hearing. Which is understandable, it's in a separate article. And to include the complaint of brain damage in the lawsuit means they have medical support for that claim. You cant just throw stuff in a sworn lawsuit without being prepared to ultimately present proof of it at trial. The attorneys certainly arent going to be on the hook for that without knowing of the evidence prior to including in the lawsuit.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 8/25/19 at 5:50 pm to davyjones
Did a search for the article in the OP and came across this in the Gilbert newspaper;
I thought it appeared his leg was in then out of view on the camera.
Arm bar with leg sweep on a 110 pound chick.
Yeah, she's gonna go down hard and he knew it. Totally unnecessary.
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Robinson’s report said due to Glass’ active resistance and aggression, he conducted a leg sweep to her right leg in an attempt to push her elbow to the ground to handcuff her.
I thought it appeared his leg was in then out of view on the camera.
Arm bar with leg sweep on a 110 pound chick.
Yeah, she's gonna go down hard and he knew it. Totally unnecessary.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 5:51 pm to davyjones
The article I read says she has been seeing a neurologist. Seems she had a pretty severe concussion.
eta-Years ago a guy in my hometown died in a bar fight from his head hitting the concrete floor. Slamming your noggin into concrete is no joke.
eta-Years ago a guy in my hometown died in a bar fight from his head hitting the concrete floor. Slamming your noggin into concrete is no joke.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 8/25/19 at 6:01 pm to BuckyCheese
His passive aggressiveness was a different tone to it than Ive ever heard from a law enforcement officer. It was actually much more of a hateful tone rather than indulging in a little of your run of the mill power trip.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 6:27 pm to davyjones
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His passive aggressiveness was a different tone to it than Ive ever heard from a law enforcement officer. It was actually much more of a hateful tone rather than indulging in a little of your run of the mill power trip.
They are human. They are all different. Focus on whether or not he broke the law... Did His job. Focus on HER. The criminal.
I mean how much perfection should be there???
Posted on 8/25/19 at 6:41 pm to LCA131
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They are human. They are all different. Focus on whether or not he broke the law... Did His job. Focus on HER. The criminal.
As a general matter and in my experience, yes, I agree with these thoughts in most instances. But I don't think anyone would deny that there are exceptions of varying sorts and degrees. And in my view this is clearly one. And it's obviously believed to be one of those exceptions on the ground there in Arizona. Is it of the worst nature, no, it just happens to be the one put up for discussion on TD this day.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 7:01 pm to Hangit
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She was minding her own business when he arrived. He asked her a bunch of leading questions, trying to get her to confess to a crime she did not commit. There actually was no crime committed. As I have stated though, she should not have tried to leave.
There’s also the often missed point that she was face down texting and took 2 very slow steps away from the wall. He then grabbed her and she pulled away from the aggressive move. Shocking that a drunk girl would pull away from getting grabbed.
It wasn’t like she darted for the stairs and pushed him out of the way.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 7:11 pm to LCA131
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They are human. They are all different. Focus on whether or not he broke the law... Did His job. Focus on HER. The criminal.
I mean how much perfection should be there???
I mean, she took maybe two steps and her grabbed her arm and swept her leg. A combo ensuring she’d go face first into concrete without a hand to brace the impact.
I’ll keep echoing that he should’ve had a second body with him (for both of their safety) and his line of questioning paired with attitude almost ensured she’d be moody with him as an intoxicated person
Posted on 8/25/19 at 7:17 pm to NoSaint
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his line of questioning paired with attitude almost ensured she’d be moody with him as an intoxicated person
So it's his fault she's drunk? What happened to personal accountability? Why does he have to change his line of questioning so not to upset a drunk who couldn't keep her shite together so as not to have the police called on her? If she were sober the manner questioning would have been okay? I guess you could say the fact she was drunk changed the situation. Who was it that made her drunk?
Posted on 8/25/19 at 7:30 pm to Barstools
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So it's his fault she's drunk? What happened to personal accountability? Why does he have to change his line of questioning so not to upset a drunk who couldn't keep her shite together so as not to have the police called on her? If she were sober the manner questioning would have been okay? I guess you could say the fact she was drunk changed the situation. Who was it that made her drunk?
I’m sorry that I think cops should put their training to use and treat people in ways that maximize outcomes.
It was clear his approach wasn’t working and whether she’s drunk, high, bipolar, a cop hater, or just a jerk... he didn’t follow a decision tree that lead to best outcomes for either her or him. She has brain damage and he risked a fight near a staircase instead of deescalating and calling backup
At some point he had better options and if it still devolved so be it. But that wasn’t a best practice in any sense.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 8/25/19 at 7:32 pm to Barstools
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I'm not an authoritarian by any means but there is one group of people you should always obey and comply and it's the police.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 8:00 pm to LSUAngelHere1
Comical, isn't it.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 8:30 pm to davyjones
Yeah and all those back/neck injuries from fender benders are legit too. They also have doctors notes
ETA: you an ADA?
ETA: you an ADA?
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 8/25/19 at 8:39 pm to yellowfin
Well, a jury of her peers will be able to determine up close and personal whether that's the case, or whether it credible.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 8:45 pm to yellowfin
Not currently, but used to be.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 8:47 pm to davyjones
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You cant just throw stuff in a sworn lawsuit without being prepared to ultimately present proof of it at trial. The attorneys certainly arent going to be on the hook for that without knowing of the evidence prior to including in the lawsuit.
Cause the losing lawyer pays what, exactly?
Posted on 8/25/19 at 8:49 pm to davyjones
Then you know the police departments insurance company is going to settle on this long before it hits a courtroom
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