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How to handle the "salary expectations" question?

Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:21 am
Posted by NolaLovingClemsonFan
Member since Jan 2020
1715 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:21 am
Seems like this is becoming pretty commonplace these days, and I struggle with how to handle it. It just seems like throwing out a number without knowing any of the other important package details like benefits or bonuses is super irresponsible. I've also always been told to never be the first one to throw out a number as you anchor the discussion.

If they really pushed you, would you go high knowing that you likely will have to come down from that and wouldn't want to leave any money on the table or would you go low to avoid them stopping the discussions if your number is too high?

For background I've had 2 interviews and think they really like me. I'm also very well-qualified for this relatively specific job. Is there any benefit to stating a low number to ensure that I can keep the conversation going and then negotiating it up later, sort of taking the approach of wanting to get them pregnant and focused on me?

TIA !
Posted by broadhead
Member since Oct 2014
2107 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:22 am to
Market rate based on my experience. Let me give out the first number.
Posted by truthbetold
Member since Aug 2008
7631 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:23 am to
Do your research. There are benchmarking reports out there for most any role in any location. You should come to the table with some facts and data that support your request.
Posted by brucevilanch
Fort Worth, Tejas
Member since May 2011
24333 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:23 am to
quote:

Is there any benefit to stating a low number to ensure that I can keep the conversation going and then negotiating it up later


No.
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
29289 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:23 am to
quote:

Market rate based on my experience.


This...always know what you're worth when you first start your job hunt.

ETA

quote:

Is there any benefit to stating a low number to ensure that I can keep the conversation going and then negotiating it up later, sort of taking the approach of wanting to get them pregnant and focused on me?


Ummm no.
This post was edited on 9/15/20 at 10:27 am
Posted by BigB0882
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
5308 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:24 am to
Why go low? If you go low and then change your tune later they would just drop you. I would. I’d be pissed if someone pulled a bait and switch on me. Do your research and know your worth. Ask for more, nothing too much to have them dismiss you completely and then negotiate to where you know you should be. You might get lucky and get what you ask for.
Posted by Woolfman_8
Old Metairie
Member since Oct 2018
2072 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:25 am to
You should know the competitive wages for your position. As long as you are not asking 50% over market they won’t be turned off if they really like you.

Get them to tell you the benefits before you tell them a salary.
This post was edited on 9/15/20 at 10:26 am
Posted by DrEdgeLSU
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2006
8166 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:25 am to
As a hiring manager, if you tell me your expectations are low, and then you counter our offer with a much higher one...you probably aren't going to get the job. Mainly because you lied to us and strung us along.

But, we also get plenty of people applying to cook fries at our location, so it's not a big deal.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
53770 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:25 am to
Throw out what you want (based off of realistic market demand and an honest evaluation of your value) not what you're willing to accept.

If you feel that you're trying to be low-balled from the jump, reject the offer because it's nowhere you want to work in the first place.
This post was edited on 9/15/20 at 5:03 pm
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
38895 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:26 am to
You have to do your homework and know the market.

quote:

Is there any benefit to stating a low number to ensure that I can keep the conversation going and then negotiating it up later


Don’t do this. Ever.
Posted by wileyjones
Member since May 2014
2295 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:27 am to
"I'm not comfortable answering that at this time, what were you thinking?"

Posted by Clint Torres
Member since Oct 2011
2662 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:27 am to
In a negotiation, you should never be the first to throw out a number.
Posted by RummelTiger
Texas
Member since Aug 2004
89862 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:27 am to
If you don't mind me asking...

What is it that you do and where is it that you work/live?
Posted by Presidio
Member since Nov 2017
3060 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:28 am to
I use a variation of this when they raise that question:

I'm open and while compensation is certainly important to me, it's only ONE facet of what working here entails. So I'll need a better understanding beyond the Job Description, to learn about the Culture, the Product offering, Bonus Structure, Management Style, Non-Cash Earnings, etc. to make a better assessment.

Basically: never EVER be the first one to provide a number and ALWAYS negotiate whatever they finally offer.

The earlier this question is raised, the more important it is to NOT give an actual answer. Sometimes, especially if working with a recruiter, they'll press for a number to "make sure we're on the same page" and in that case I say "I understand, and I've done sufficient research on your organization that I'm confident that if and when we determine to go further that your group will make a fair/equitable offer that reflect the value I can bring to your group".
This post was edited on 9/15/20 at 10:34 am
Posted by truthbetold
Member since Aug 2008
7631 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:32 am to
quote:

"I'm not comfortable answering that at this time, what were you thinking?"



I disagree with this approach. Go in, be firm, stick to your guns. Pussy footing around on this answer is a sign of weakness IMO.
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
10926 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:33 am to
Advice here is all well and good. But many companies use screeners for the first phone interview and “can’t submit your application until we have an answer on your salary expectations.”

Basically the whole point of that interview is to confirm you have a pulse and if you’re too expensive.
Posted by wileyjones
Member since May 2014
2295 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:33 am to
quote:

Pussy footing around on this answer is a sign of weakness IMO


Perhaps.

As someone in charge of hiring a highly specialized field, I think the chump is the one who answers that question.
Posted by RummelTiger
Texas
Member since Aug 2004
89862 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:34 am to
quote:

"I'm not comfortable answering that at this time, what were you thinking?"


Do not say this.

It makes you look ill-prepared and naive.
Posted by BeachDude022
Premium Elite Platinum TD Member
Member since Dec 2006
34812 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:36 am to
I always go higher but say it’s negotiable because I know the potential bonus opportunity in sales
This post was edited on 9/15/20 at 10:41 am
Posted by RummelTiger
Texas
Member since Aug 2004
89862 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:36 am to
quote:

Advice here is all well and good. But many companies use screeners for the first phone interview and “can’t submit your application until we have an answer on your salary expectations.”

Basically the whole point of that interview is to confirm you have a pulse and if you’re too expensive.


This is fact.

Our screeners will know about where you are before you come in and talk with anyone about the bones of the position.

We'll drill down to a number once we make an offer.

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