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re: how should a company compensate an hourly employee for out of state training
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:39 am to roguetiger15
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:39 am to roguetiger15
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I don't know. just relaying what he said
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If I were hourly i'd expect to get compensated at least 12 hrs a day until I'm back home
minus the OP where you agreed with him and wanted our feedback. why did you think 12 hours was needed?
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Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:41 am to roguetiger15
Your employee sees co workers going home to their family at night and having a life. He wont be able to do the same because of a mandated class but yet receives same pay.
Give him a travel per diem of some sort to compensate for his loss.
Give him a travel per diem of some sort to compensate for his loss.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:41 am to roguetiger15
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his biggest gripe was that if he's hourly and he can't do what he wants to do because he has to be in a hotel out of state for a week for mandatory training he should be compensated for it.
Then he's an idiot. That isn't how it works.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:42 am to NoSaint
one cant change his mind after hearing rebuttals?
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:45 am to roguetiger15
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I don't know. just relaying what he said. I think he's just upset that he will be stuck in a hotel for a week and not being able to go home everyday like he usually does and he'll be getting paid the same.
Sounds like he might benefit from looking for another job, then.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:46 am to Tigerswillprevail
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Your employee sees co workers going home to their family at night and having a life. He wont be able to do the same because of a mandated class but yet receives same pay.
Give him a travel per diem of some sort to compensate for his loss.
Or, you can look at as it is only one week, and the company is willing to invest in training him as opposed to replacing him with someone already qualified to operate the machinery.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:48 am to Tigerswillprevail
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Your employee sees co workers going home to their family at night and having a life. He wont be able to do the same because of a mandated class but yet receives same pay.
It's a fricking week. Honestly, if this were my employee I'd tell him to shut the frick up and go or I'll find someone else who wants to move ahead of him on the food chain.
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 9:49 am
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:51 am to terd ferguson
Dude was probably going to sit on his couch watching tv and ignore his wife and kids for 75% of that time anyways so how much is he really missing?
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 9:52 am
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:52 am to roguetiger15
Why in the world would he get paid more than 8 hours a day if the training is only 8 hours a day? So he can't go home...so what? He goes back to a hotel room to relax or he can choose to go watch a movie or go to a nearby bar/restaurant. I don't understand how you can think he should be paid for that. He is already getting food reimbursed. I would never expect anything other than all expenses reimbursed and time during training.
This guy sounds like a whiny little bitch. I would send someone else and pass him over for the promotion.
This guy sounds like a whiny little bitch. I would send someone else and pass him over for the promotion.
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 9:54 am
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:52 am to terd ferguson
Ive been on both sides if this.
What hardships will this cause his family? Does he have kids, wife work evenings or is he single....?
Im not advocating he gets paid his hourly rate for every hour he is gone, just add a daily travel per diem to the company policy.
You guys are tough, let the man feel compensated for his troubles.
What hardships will this cause his family? Does he have kids, wife work evenings or is he single....?
Im not advocating he gets paid his hourly rate for every hour he is gone, just add a daily travel per diem to the company policy.
You guys are tough, let the man feel compensated for his troubles.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:55 am to Tigerswillprevail
He has a wife that is handicapped and can't get out of a wheel chair. He helps her get in bed and he has to cook for her. So there will be things that need to be done (have a family member help her) in order for him to travel for the week
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:56 am to Tigerswillprevail
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What hardships will this cause his family? Does he have kids, wife work evenings or is he single....?
It would have been different if he came in and said "Hey I have a hard time with this week long travel thing because my family......."
But this:
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He came to me for advice because he feels like he's getting the shaft being that he's only getting paid 8 hrs a day.
Means he just thinks he deserves more money. frick that. Either go do the damn training or get passed up by one of your juniors. I'd call up the next guy in line and see if he wanted to pass this jackass up in the pecking order.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:58 am to roguetiger15
This is all very clear cut. The Fair Labor Standards Act governs this. Companies cannot deviate from this for fear of litigation. One must be very careful how hourly employees are treated and a lot of times they end up being treated like 2nd class employees. It sucks but it's the law.
Thanks Unions.
Thanks Unions.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:59 am to roguetiger15
That's a little different, but if that was his issue he probably should have started his argument with that as opposed to just saying he is getting the shaft by only being paid 8 hours per day.
Edited to add, if he's the only guy who can be trained on the equipment, would the company selling the equipment to your company not send somebody to your site to provide the training, or is he just going to another site that already has it for OJT?
Edited to add, if he's the only guy who can be trained on the equipment, would the company selling the equipment to your company not send somebody to your site to provide the training, or is he just going to another site that already has it for OJT?
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 10:02 am
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:00 am to roguetiger15
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He has a wife that is handicapped and can't get out of a wheel chair. He helps her get in bed and he has to cook for her. So there will be things that need to be done (have a family member help her) in order for him to travel for the week
Well did he come in talking about that or just wanting more money? If it was just about money then I'd get the impression that he didn't really give a shite about his job. If he did give a shite then he'd be ready to do the training to be better at doing his job.
I still look at things through the military glasses so it might come across as harsh to some. But in the environment I came up in it was do the shite you needed to do or someone else was going to pass you up. There was no crying or saying you didn't think it was fair... you did your fricking job or you went into the shitbag pile.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:01 am to DingLeeBerry
I agree. I don't think he wants to bring his wife's disabilities into his argument though. I told him to go tell our manager about his wife's situation. I doubt he will though
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:01 am to LNCHBOX
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Thinsg to do in Waco.
They list The Branch Davidian Compound.
LINK
OP: When I would go to Dallas for training, My company would pay me my regular salary, plus I would get the company credit card to pay for my hotel room and gas. I had to buy my own food.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:03 am to roguetiger15
Do you have another employee that would actually like to learn more about his job and be willing to do the training? If so, I'd send that guy in a heartbeat and leave this dude alone.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:03 am to roguetiger15
Company should pay all expenses and his hourly time. 40 hours if that's the usual, or more if he works 50 to 60 hours. As to being compensated with an expense check on his next payday, I don't see a problem with that for a salaried position. For hourly, that's a tough one. A company card/expense account for hotel, plane, car should be used if possible. He can cover his meals until reimbursement.
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 10:34 am
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:05 am to terd ferguson
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Well did he come in talking about that or just wanting more money? If it was just about money then I'd get the impression that he didn't really give a shite about his job. If he did give a shite then he'd be ready to do the training to be better at doing his job.
I still look at things through the military glasses so it might come across as harsh to some. But in the environment I came up in it was do the shite you needed to do or someone else was going to pass you up. There was no crying or saying you didn't think it was fair... you did your fricking job or you went into the shitbag pile.
a lot of times i do think companies are harder on employees than they need to be --
but that hes going, getting expenses and pay, AND making himself more marketable with FREE training....
dude should make the most of it. Go train, network, and kick back without the stress of home.
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