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re: How many folks believe the Great barrier reef and Florida Keys coral reef are in danger
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:00 pm to doubleb
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:00 pm to doubleb
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Cutting trees down, drilling for oil, mining coal, etc. all affect the environment, but all these activities keep people sheltered, they keep humans warm, they provide food and make civilization stable.
Which is why the native Americans were the GOAT. They didn't give a crap about any of this. They didn't need Chevy Tahoes and iPhones to be happy. They respected the world they were given and enjoyed it for what it was.
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Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:03 pm to Bison
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rising acidification of oceans?
This is just simple chemistry.
Acidification is independent of temperature so we can throw that argument aside.
CO2 levels have without a doubt been increasing. Increased CO2 in the atmosphere leads to increased CO2 in the ocean. The excess CO2 shifts the equilibrium of this reaction.
That end result, the bicarbonate is the disassociated form of carbonic acid. The ocean is basic and is becoming less basic (more acidic). This reaction also pulls free carbonate molecules out of the water which would have previously been available for shelled organisms such as all shellfish and carbonate shelled microorganisms.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:03 pm to redstick13
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I've dove both reefs. Tons of dead coral in the Keys.
interesting...so you saw a lot more dead coral in the keys than at the barrier reef? do you have any idea as to the health of the coral on any other reef?
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:25 pm to Honky Lips
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Which is why the native Americans were the GOAT. They didn't give a crap about any of this. They didn't need Chevy Tahoes and iPhones to be happy.
Until they discovered the fire water. You'd be fine with living in a pre industrial revolution society with no ac, technology, transportation etc? You know that you can right? Buy a piece of land and live in a teepee. Grow your own food, hunt, fish etc.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:28 pm to Spankum
It's hard to judge really because the Great Barrier Reef is so much more enormous. We would be diving along 30 foot high walls of coral.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:56 pm to Honky Lips
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Which is why the native Americans were the GOAT. They didn't give a crap about any of this. They didn't need Chevy Tahoes and iPhones to be happy. They respected the world they were given and enjoyed it for what it was.
The Native Americans were limited by their own technology.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 3:24 pm to Honky Lips
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conservatives have had their heads in the sand on true science for hundreds of years. Galileo was imprisoned for suggesting the earth was not the center of the universe.
Old honky.... trolling all day, every day
Posted on 7/16/17 at 4:14 pm to Bmath
Yeah, and that's also why you see Exxon (and many other oil giants) investing a pretty penny in renewable and clean energy sources.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 4:16 pm to EmperorGout
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in which conservatives slap down an argument no one at any point has ever tried to make
Eh. Going to have to call bullshite on that one.
It's an implicit argument seen both in common media and scientific literature attributing any and all climate change to be related to AGW.
Never mind that all short and medium term models used to quantify the negative effect of generated greenhouse gases and old enough for us to check the results of against reality have been proven false, with scientists trying to explain the inconsistency.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 4:17 pm to Honky Lips
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That being said, conservatives have had their heads in the sand on true science for hundreds of years
But gender is a social construct right?
Posted on 7/16/17 at 4:23 pm to Peazey
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Because the people saying that we aren't have a vested financial interest in saying that human activity is not having any effect.
But let's not pretend that many of the loudest private proponents also don't have a significant financial interest as well.
And let's not pretend every opposing scientific opinion uncertain of AGW is an oil shill.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 4:27 pm to Emiliooo
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Yeah, and that's also why you see Exxon (and many other oil giants) investing a pretty penny in renewable and clean energy sources.
It is kinda funny how Big Oil gets demonized in these discussions, but the vast majority of private investment in renewable infrastructure is from them.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 4:37 pm to Bison
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coral bleaching ( death sentence for coral)
Not true.
Zooxanthellae and other symbiotic organisms have, in some cases, been found to repopulate some species of bleached corals. The temporal scale and conditions under which this repopulation occurs is not well understood.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 7:13 pm to Bison
The Lion Fish is a bigger threat to Florida Reefs than climate change.
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