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re: How do you know when your kid has "it" in sports?
Posted on 3/15/17 at 7:53 pm to bbvdd
Posted on 3/15/17 at 7:53 pm to bbvdd
I'm pretty sure I know exactly who you are talking about.
Everything you said about Cain is true. He was pretty good in HS but like not a super stud. Obviously scouts thought otherwise and they were right.
The guy you know's son had "it" too. Initials KN? Just a lot of variables that go into playing college baseball. Injuries, enjoying the college life, getting burned out on the game, etc.
I played at MTSU during the same years with a bunch of guys who grew up with those two guys.
As far as having "it" goes, it depends. I was a beast pre-puberty, then from 13-15 just average, then I was better than most my junior and senior years of HS. Good enough to play D1 college ball but certainly not good enough to make a living out of it, though I have a few teammates who did and still do.
Everything you said about Cain is true. He was pretty good in HS but like not a super stud. Obviously scouts thought otherwise and they were right.
The guy you know's son had "it" too. Initials KN? Just a lot of variables that go into playing college baseball. Injuries, enjoying the college life, getting burned out on the game, etc.
I played at MTSU during the same years with a bunch of guys who grew up with those two guys.
As far as having "it" goes, it depends. I was a beast pre-puberty, then from 13-15 just average, then I was better than most my junior and senior years of HS. Good enough to play D1 college ball but certainly not good enough to make a living out of it, though I have a few teammates who did and still do.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:01 pm to iliveinabox
Puberty is the great equalizer, but a few things were missing:
-does their interest change at puberty? Into chicks more than practice? This is the biggest part of it. How do you increase the chances of keeping the kids head in straight?
-as they grow in their sport, the kid must be the best on his team at some point. And also be able to have the same attitude when he is not the best on the next team.
-lastly, the kid needs to see and take notice of kids that come and go. And realize why other kids fade away.
The older you get, the more mental it gets
-does their interest change at puberty? Into chicks more than practice? This is the biggest part of it. How do you increase the chances of keeping the kids head in straight?
-as they grow in their sport, the kid must be the best on his team at some point. And also be able to have the same attitude when he is not the best on the next team.
-lastly, the kid needs to see and take notice of kids that come and go. And realize why other kids fade away.
The older you get, the more mental it gets
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:06 pm to NorthEnd
Not from my kids, but from playing against guys when I was growing up...you could tell at an early age....5th-8th grade that certain guys were that much better than the rest of us. Bucky Richardson and Todd Kinchen are a couple of guys I played against at that age level and they had "it" during that timeframe.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:11 pm to NorthEnd
Lots of kids aren't the best players on their own teams that go on to play collegiate ball. Of course the vast majority of time that isn't D1, but today there are so many more opportunities to continue playing the sport at a lower level while still getting some of your education paid for. My daughter is a great example of that.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:45 pm to NorthEnd
When your kids is heads and tails above the competition the vast majority of the time he sets foot on the field, he may have it.
If that isn't the case, odds are that a paycheck will never be earned playing sports.
If that isn't the case, odds are that a paycheck will never be earned playing sports.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 9:52 pm to NorthEnd
I can only comment on my own experience. In my case it was 14. I was a big kid but my 9th grade yer in football showed some signs. Then, in my soph year, I started varsity mid season and ended up making 1st team all district in football. That following Spring the letters began rolling in.
This was in the 80's, so maybe earlier in today's environment.
This was in the 80's, so maybe earlier in today's environment.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:00 pm to geauxbrown
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but today there are so many more opportunities to continue playing the sport at a lower level while still getting some of your education paid for. My daughter is a great example of that.
A lot easier for girls to do that. If a girl starts a varsity sport, is proactive, and willing to travel anywhere then she can find scholarship money out there.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:24 pm to skullhawk
I played with two LSU baseball players in many different sports from when I was very young. Everyone knew these guys had "it" from the very beginning. They were always the two best at every sport. Granted I was still kind of shocked when they both ended up committing, but it isn't all that surprising. I also played against what ended up becoming LSU baseball and football player who were both phenomenal their whole life.
I go could go on for hours about other eventual college athletes. I just remember even I knew at a young age they were just better than anyone else on the court or field.
I go could go on for hours about other eventual college athletes. I just remember even I knew at a young age they were just better than anyone else on the court or field.
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:48 pm to ReauxlTide222
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You don't want your kid to be a badass at 12.
You want them to be pretty athletic, mainly having good feet....and a large frame in which to grow into.
so much this. Plus you need to see that they have a passion for competing and getting better. Without those two it's just a big athletic kid.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 12:01 am to NorthEnd
there is no great answer to this thread because everything is relative.
An 8 year old in his local league can have the it factor there but not at the state, national level etc. Age, growth, access to coaching/facilities... There's just too much to quantify here.
I know guys who barely played anything at age 12-13 and are superstars now. Then there are guys who were special at age 6 and still are. I guess it comes down to what you define as having it. If 'it' is going to be a professional star then there is no good answer to this question whatsoever. But if you're talking about a star HS player then I'd guess 10-12 is the answer.
An 8 year old in his local league can have the it factor there but not at the state, national level etc. Age, growth, access to coaching/facilities... There's just too much to quantify here.
I know guys who barely played anything at age 12-13 and are superstars now. Then there are guys who were special at age 6 and still are. I guess it comes down to what you define as having it. If 'it' is going to be a professional star then there is no good answer to this question whatsoever. But if you're talking about a star HS player then I'd guess 10-12 is the answer.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 12:24 am to NorthEnd
I've been knowing since he was 2. He's 9 now and Started gymnastics at 3 and now plays select baseball (since 7), soccer(did play academy but f that stuff), football, and basketball. There isn't anything he doesn't excel in. He's just naturally gifted athletically.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 1:57 am to Marlo Stanfield
quote:Your kid won't play hs ball more than likely though
Marlo Stanfield
Posted on 3/16/17 at 2:30 am to lsupride87
quote:Football, maybe.
Meh. I would say 99% of pro athletes were the best player on their team at 12.
Baseball, no shot in hell. QBs...no shot in hell.
Posted on 3/16/17 at 2:38 am to NorthEnd
You just know. When I was coaching youth football, I had this kid named Jimmy and he was just a man amongst boys lol. I will never forget playing one team that used the read option and Jimmy played DT for us where he punished offensive lines. Anyway, Jimmy's mind would be so far ahead and one play they did the read option except it was a delayed handoff meant to trick defenses (it didn't work) but Jimmy burst through the line and beat the RB to the handoff stealing the ball while jogging into the end zone. The best part was the referee not having any clue what just happened and struggling between blowing the whistle or allowing the touchdown. He ended up giving us the turnover but ruled it dead at the spot of the handoff.
Once he begins his whole recruiting process, I'll share his name and what not down the line I'm sure but trust me when I say he'll be playing college ball someday and unfortunately his dad isn't an LSU fan.
Once he begins his whole recruiting process, I'll share his name and what not down the line I'm sure but trust me when I say he'll be playing college ball someday and unfortunately his dad isn't an LSU fan.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:41 am to NorthEnd
Sorry to revive an old thread, I just stumbled upon it while lurking and felt compelled to respond.
For a little bio to better understand my response, I had an opportunity to play basketball in college, my best friend from HS played football in college and was my roommate, and my uncle spent over a decade in professional baseball where he had over 700 innings pitched, 650 strikeouts, and a 3.5 era over that time. He’s now a college baseball coach and offers an invaluable perspective from a recruiting standpoint.
First off, understand that there is no one-size-fits-all answer, here. There are so many factors and so many different observations from so many different people and their individual experiences. Each sport also differs in who, how and when each kid excels. For example, I found that early bloomers tend to excel in basketball because they can take advantage of their superior size at the time, whereas in baseball I’ve found that those same players aren’t as good because they have a higher center of gravity, not as agile and their coordination tends to be off because of the sudden growth yet your smaller players who may struggle in other sports, can excel in youth baseball. Football has always been a mixed bag of certain types of players, small and big, fast and slow. My best friend that I referenced above, who went on to play college football, was the best on our team at 10 years old, 12 years old and high school. For me in basketball, at 13 I was cut from the middle school basketball team because I was an awkward body who didn’t really have a place then. I wrestled in middle school instead. By the time I was a sophomore in high school, I was 6’6 and would end up being a 3-year letterman in high school and by my senior year, out of those kids in my grade who made the middle school team over me, only 1 (yes ONE) of those players made our state title contending high school team. So here we both were, one who always excelled in his sport and myself who showed up to the party late, both in college doing our thing.
At the end of the day, none of this can be sorted out before puberty. You may begin to see the competitiveness and the mental fortitude of a good athlete at such a young age, but genetics are by and far the largest determining factor as to whether a child will play at the next level or not. If you want me to tell you whether or not a 10 year old child has the ability to play at the next level, show me his parents, not his youth sports accomplishments. It’s the old “I can teach you football/basketball/baseball, but I can’t teach size, speed, etc…..” saying.
I will also say this: No child is getting looked at seriously by colleges before the age of 14-15. Not happening and if you think it is, you’re lying to yourself and those around you. That’s coming from a college baseball coach and former pro, who does this for a living. Travel ball isn’t getting a child noticed by colleges before their mid-teens, and most kids are getting burnt out and parents spending their college savings, believing that what I said isn’t true. Let your kids play multiple sports, let them develop different muscle groups and uses for different muscles, but most of all, let them develop a love for the game and a drive to want to play. I see so many kids who just go through the motions because they’re burnt out, because their parent’s desire for the child to play, surpasses the child’s. If you want a kid to play with passion, they must learn to miss playing said sport otherwise it just becomes a job.
For a little bio to better understand my response, I had an opportunity to play basketball in college, my best friend from HS played football in college and was my roommate, and my uncle spent over a decade in professional baseball where he had over 700 innings pitched, 650 strikeouts, and a 3.5 era over that time. He’s now a college baseball coach and offers an invaluable perspective from a recruiting standpoint.
First off, understand that there is no one-size-fits-all answer, here. There are so many factors and so many different observations from so many different people and their individual experiences. Each sport also differs in who, how and when each kid excels. For example, I found that early bloomers tend to excel in basketball because they can take advantage of their superior size at the time, whereas in baseball I’ve found that those same players aren’t as good because they have a higher center of gravity, not as agile and their coordination tends to be off because of the sudden growth yet your smaller players who may struggle in other sports, can excel in youth baseball. Football has always been a mixed bag of certain types of players, small and big, fast and slow. My best friend that I referenced above, who went on to play college football, was the best on our team at 10 years old, 12 years old and high school. For me in basketball, at 13 I was cut from the middle school basketball team because I was an awkward body who didn’t really have a place then. I wrestled in middle school instead. By the time I was a sophomore in high school, I was 6’6 and would end up being a 3-year letterman in high school and by my senior year, out of those kids in my grade who made the middle school team over me, only 1 (yes ONE) of those players made our state title contending high school team. So here we both were, one who always excelled in his sport and myself who showed up to the party late, both in college doing our thing.
At the end of the day, none of this can be sorted out before puberty. You may begin to see the competitiveness and the mental fortitude of a good athlete at such a young age, but genetics are by and far the largest determining factor as to whether a child will play at the next level or not. If you want me to tell you whether or not a 10 year old child has the ability to play at the next level, show me his parents, not his youth sports accomplishments. It’s the old “I can teach you football/basketball/baseball, but I can’t teach size, speed, etc…..” saying.
I will also say this: No child is getting looked at seriously by colleges before the age of 14-15. Not happening and if you think it is, you’re lying to yourself and those around you. That’s coming from a college baseball coach and former pro, who does this for a living. Travel ball isn’t getting a child noticed by colleges before their mid-teens, and most kids are getting burnt out and parents spending their college savings, believing that what I said isn’t true. Let your kids play multiple sports, let them develop different muscle groups and uses for different muscles, but most of all, let them develop a love for the game and a drive to want to play. I see so many kids who just go through the motions because they’re burnt out, because their parent’s desire for the child to play, surpasses the child’s. If you want a kid to play with passion, they must learn to miss playing said sport otherwise it just becomes a job.
This post was edited on 8/15/22 at 8:50 am
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:47 am to Lazy But Talented
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My nephew is an excellent golfer - just graduated high school and received a college golf scholarship - shoots par regularly. He was throwing and catching balls before he could walk. He's always been a great athlete. You could see it when he was a toddler.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:51 am to NorthEnd
It has been over 5 years since this thread. Your boy called up by Yankees yet?
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:51 am to NorthEnd
If you have to ask that question, he probably isn't.
Posted on 8/15/22 at 8:54 am to NorthEnd
re: basketball, it's basically impossible to tell until after puberty
bryce james was like a 5'6 chubby kid in 2020 and now he's 6'6 and probably going to be a 4/5*, top player in his class. obviously lebron being his dad is a big factor but there are many similar cases.
also, i think athletes generally are what they are after puberty, especially for basketball. if you're 16 and not dunking and starting to play an above the riim game... good luck.
bryce james was like a 5'6 chubby kid in 2020 and now he's 6'6 and probably going to be a 4/5*, top player in his class. obviously lebron being his dad is a big factor but there are many similar cases.
also, i think athletes generally are what they are after puberty, especially for basketball. if you're 16 and not dunking and starting to play an above the riim game... good luck.
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