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re: How do you feel about spanking children?
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:03 pm to Festus
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:03 pm to Festus
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Your link is a pro spanking website...
No it's not. But I figured you would discredit it to favor your argument.
C;mon, man. Did you read that website?
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Roger said he never read ANY studies in support. I provided him one. There are more as well. I didn't direct it to you because I believe you are bias and not interested in the truth, only "being right". It's a waste of time to discuss anything of value with people like you. But Roger seemed to be sincere and open. Hence, the direction of my post towards him.
well, you provided me with a study that proved me wrong. I guess there are spanking advocates out there who have decided it's effective.
The overwhelming evidence suggests it's poor parenting and damages the child, and is ineffective long term. You can ignore that all you want
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 7:06 pm
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:You are smart enough to know this works both ways, right?
I'm sure you can pay someone, somewhere some money and come out with an outcome you're looking for
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:What is the source of the study?
C;mon, man. Did you read that website?
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:05 pm to WDE24
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I read it. Read his post that you quoted. Quote it in full and quit being intentionally obtuse.
You need to let this go. You are wrong. His contention was that the problem solving method of addressing root problems cannot be applied to children. That is exactly what he said. That is simply false.
He didn't even specify toddlers in saying that, but again, root problems can be addressed with toddlers also! The root problem exists in the parent-child relationship.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:05 pm to inadaze
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but that doesn't mean there aren't better options.
As WDE said, doesn't mean there are better options.
Detail for me a better option for the toddler incapable of reason or even a real conversation
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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C;mon, man. Did you read that website?
I did. And it cited studies you allege you've never read. I assume you only read studies you deem "unbiased", like the CBS study. Lol, yeah, no bias.
Instead of saying you've never read a study with positive outcomes on spanking, why not be honest and say there are studies, but you choose for those to be biased. Not that they aren't out there.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:06 pm to WDE24
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I'm sure you can pay someone, somewhere some money and come out with an outcome you're looking for
You are smart enough to know this works both ways, right?
Of course. But, we did a LOT of research with our first child and came away blown away by he fact people still spank their kids, including us. We stopped.
I'm sure you're a smart enough guy to realize when the evidence is overwhelming, maybe there's something to it.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:06 pm to inadaze
quote:No it wasn't. You are being obtuse and intellectually dishonest.
His contention was that the problem solving method of addressing root problems cannot be applied to children.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The overwhelming evidence suggests it's poor parenting and damages the child, and is ineffective long term. You can ignore that all you want
Incorrect. No need to ignore something you've made up.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:It actually isn't at all. I've looked at a lot of the studies and their methodologies and they aren't overwhelming at all.
I'm sure you're a smart enough guy to realize when the evidence is overwhelming, maybe there's something to it.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:09 pm to WDE24
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I'm sure you're a smart enough guy to realize when the evidence is overwhelming, maybe there's something to it.
It actually isn't at all. I've looked at a lot of the studies and their methodologies and they aren't overwhelming at all.
You gotta be kidding me...
Holy shite.
Goes to show you the average person will find what the want to find.
What about the American Academy of Pediatrics?
LINK
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:12 pm to inadaze
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He didn't even specify toddlers in saying that, but again, root problems can be addressed with toddlers also!
The example I gave you with the stove actually used the word toddler. I don't know how much more specific I could have been.
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The root problem exists in the parent-child relationship.
So, now, the fact that children are not born with complete neurologic faculties, thus incapable of reason, this constitutes a root problem in the parent-child relationship???
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:16 pm to WDE24
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His contention was that the problem solving method of addressing root problems cannot be applied to children.
No it wasn't. You are being obtuse and intellectually dishonest.
No you are WRONG! This is what he wrote:
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The error here is yours (to spell it out for you: the misapplication of adult oriented methods to children).
That is false. Now, if you're going to say that this only applies to toddlers, YOU are being intellectually dishonest. I did not specify that in my post, and it does not fit at all with WHY I linked the article.
I linked the article because YOU brought up player-coach relationships. How many player-coach relationships exist with toddlers? You are intellectually dishonest, sir.
Regarding this quote:
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WDE and I have are blue in the face repeating ourselves: toddlers/kids are not reasonable/rational beings.
Now, once again, to clear up your confusion, I was NOT talking specifically about toddlers, and neither were you with your player-coach comparison, which was the impetus for the article.
Even if I were, hypothetically, involving toddlers doesn't preclude root-cause problem solving. Again, it would be more one-sided in terms of parental improvement. But again, and I STRESS, I was not specifically referring ONLY to toddlers.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:And, if you read the thread you would see where 77 percent of pediatricians approve of corporal punishment.
What about the American Academy of Pediatrics?
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:18 pm to inadaze
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But again, and I STRESS, I was not specifically referring ONLY to toddlers.
Ok, now you're making your clarification.
So was I.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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What about the American Academy of Pediatrics?
LINK
And you edit in a study on "frequent spanking", which is not at all what's being discussed, for back up?
Wow.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:20 pm to CrimsonTideMD
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Ok, now you're making your clarification.
What you're essentially saying is that when I say children, you interpret that to mean specifically toddlers. That's silly.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:25 pm to CrimsonTideMD
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The example I gave you with the stove actually used the word toddler. I don't know how much more specific I could have been.
Now you're confused about the timing. You brought that up well AFTER I linked the article.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:26 pm to inadaze
quote:Not really since the people you are responding to have clarified the limitations where spanking is believed to be a useful tool for parents.
you interpret that to mean specifically toddlers. That's silly.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:27 pm to CrimsonTideMD
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But again, and I STRESS, I was not specifically referring ONLY to toddlers.
Ok, now you're making your clarification.
So was I.
FRICK man, slow down and read. LOOK AT THAT.
I said I was NOT referring only to toddlers.
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