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Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:36 pm to WDE24
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Maybe. Of course we are now back to equating loving discipline oriented spanking with smacking kids around and so the cycle of misunderstanding starts again.
I don't think I'm misunderstanding you. You're just being unnecessarily finicky about which words are used.
It's obvious that you favor a very mild form of spanking, and I can understand where you're coming from. I just don't see why it can't be eliminated altogether by improving the relationship.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:36 pm to TheDoc
Nah man...it's way too early to pull him out. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they kicked that other little boy out though. Like I said, if my son was old enough I'd teach him exactly what to do next time that kid bit him.
There is only one way to deal with bullies in this world.
Anyway, getting off topic.
Anyway, getting off topic.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:41 pm to inadaze
quote:As this thread has proved, it is actually very necessary to be explicit and clear about what terms are used and what you mean with those terms.
You're just being unnecessarily finicky about which words are used.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:48 pm to WDE24
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As this thread has proved, it is actually very necessary to be explicit and clear about what terms are used and what you mean with those terms.
In general, I agree with you.
In this instance, I don't.
You want to argue the difference between spanking and smacking. It's NOT NECESSARY. I've already explained that I understand that you are talking about a very mild from of spanking.
And it still qualifies as violence. What you're talking about is a very mild form of it, but it's still violence.
I would've been much more interested to hear about the worldviews you were talking about earlier.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:52 pm to inadaze
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And it still qualifies as violence. What you're talking about is a very mild form of it, but it's still violence.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 7:02 pm to RealityTiger
There's a precedent being set in the thread that people who favor spanking tend to be short on explanations.
Tell me what you disagree with. How is it not violence?
Tell me what you disagree with. How is it not violence?
Posted on 1/24/14 at 7:04 pm to inadaze
A spanking (not a beating) is to violence what drinking a few drinks with your buddies is to being an alcoholic.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 7:21 pm to RealityTiger
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A spanking (not a beating) is to violence what drinking a few drinks with your buddies is to being an alcoholic.
No. Horrible attempt.
We're not talking about what these words mean in your mind, or idiotic comparisons you associate them with.
Violence:
quote:
the use of physical force to harm someone
Spanking fits within the accepted definitions for violence.
Now, there are various meanings that violence can take on. And it means different things in different contexts. I would describe Spencer Ware as a violent RB at LSU. I'm using a different shade of meaning, talking about his hard-charging, physical style of running. In comparison, other players wouldn't fit the description. For instance, in a football context, Josh Dworaczyk was not a violent football player.
But using violence in the literal sense, spanking fits, by definition.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 7:33 pm to RealityTiger
Great response. I'm sure you're bizarre style of verbal communication has nothing to do with why you are pro-spanking.
If you have boys, I would just suggest that you tread lightly, and keep yourself in good shape.
If you have boys, I would just suggest that you tread lightly, and keep yourself in good shape.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 7:42 pm to inadaze
Look dipshit. I'm trying to be somewhat civil, but since you want to be a complete jackass about it, I'll go ahead and get in the mud with you.
I get it. Your father beat you when you were young. I'm sorry that it happened. I'm sure you'll deny that, but I could read between the lines on that in your OP. Oh, it was all prettied up to make it seem like something else. But I know what you're saying.
The last thing this world needs is you as an evangelist telling me what I or anybody else should do with my son based on what happened to you in your own personal experience. I'm well aware with what to do and what not to do, thanks. My parents didn't beat me, and I don't beat my son now will I ever beat him. It tears me up to raise my voice at him most times.
You really need to move past what happened and quit focusing on what others do as a way of moving past it.
I get it. Your father beat you when you were young. I'm sorry that it happened. I'm sure you'll deny that, but I could read between the lines on that in your OP. Oh, it was all prettied up to make it seem like something else. But I know what you're saying.
The last thing this world needs is you as an evangelist telling me what I or anybody else should do with my son based on what happened to you in your own personal experience. I'm well aware with what to do and what not to do, thanks. My parents didn't beat me, and I don't beat my son now will I ever beat him. It tears me up to raise my voice at him most times.
You really need to move past what happened and quit focusing on what others do as a way of moving past it.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 8:06 pm to RealityTiger
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I get it. Your father beat you when you were young. I'm sorry that it happened. I'm sure you'll deny that, but I could read between the lines on that in your OP. Oh, it was all prettied up to make it seem like something else. But I know what you're saying.
Oh, he did, until I decided I wasn't going to go along with it anymore. I don't know why you're sure that I'll deny that. More idiocy on your part. I didn't get into specifics because it's anecdotal. And I've long since moved past it.
I'm not basing this on my own experience only.
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The last thing this world needs is you as an evangelist telling me what I or anybody else should do with my son based on what happened to you in your own personal experience. I'm well aware with what to do and what not to do, thanks. My parents didn't beat me, and I don't beat my son now will I ever beat him. It tears me up to raise my voice at him most times.
Me as an evangelist? What are you talking about? I'm not telling you what to do.
I don't think spanking is a good idea. Simple as that. I'd prefer to find the root cause of the problem and fix that. I see crossing that line into physical violence (however mild it may be) as unnecessary. There are other ways to deal with people than just using violence as leverage to make them act out of fear.
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 2:50 am
Posted on 1/24/14 at 8:15 pm to inadaze
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the use of physical force to harm someone
if I spank my child, I am not harming them
*I've never spanked my child
Posted on 1/24/14 at 8:17 pm to inadaze
It worked on me. I respected my parents too much to let them down as a kid.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 8:18 pm to Salmon
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if I spank my child, I am not harming them
If it's not harm, then what is it?
Would a typical child that is spanked not describe it as physical harm?
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 4:17 am
Posted on 1/24/14 at 8:23 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I respected my parents too much to let them down as a kid.
A relationship based on love and respect would seem to make spanking unnecessary.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 8:26 pm to inadaze
Kids are like dogs in alot of ways. Sometimes the only way to get through their head is force.
Kids should be scared of their parents to some degree.
Kids should be scared of their parents to some degree.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 8:31 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Kids are like dogs in alot of ways.
sigh
and with that, i'm done.
good night everyone
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