re: How do Creationists reconcile discoveries that date back hundreds of millions of years

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Sounds like you believe what you are told to believe.

I like to think for myself.

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Wrong on both counts.

Your question simply makes no grammatical sense.

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everything is subjective. It’s bad to kill, unless you’re killing heathens! So says the pope!

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non sequitur. But at least you confess to have a squishy subjective world view.

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Please do explain.

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I am a little confused why I have to it was very clear.

beerJeep: Goodness is subjective and based on self preservation.

Me: Hitler also acted in what he believed was self preservation. Therefore he was good by the actual standard you proposed.

beerJeep: Unable to follow a logical train of thought.

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Oh. So childhood cancer and childhood starvation are good because god said so.

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No goodness comes from the very nature of God. There is no good apart from himself. He is the standard, the measuring stick. Human suffering, and humans are not the ultimate realities of the world. We believe humans to be valuable because they are image bearers of God. So yes human beings have value in our worldview. Just not ultimate value.

In contrast to your worldview where human beings are meaningless as is childhood cancer and starvation.

If justice were to come now, if all afflictions of this world were to set right. All humanity would have to perish in order for justice to be served. However we have a loving God, full of mercy. He desires humanity to come to Christ, to repent of their wicked ways. The evil and suffering in this world exist, to serve a greater good. To allow people a chance to accept a free gift for their wrong doings. A chance to come into fellowship with a the source of all things.A chance to experience ultimate love, joy and fulfillment.

above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised?

the Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

I am sure you have some other completely dismissive views on the bible as well. Most likely from some simple youtube atheist with extremely elementary arguments that can be debunked in about 10 seconds with any historical scholarship. Heck it can typically be done using an agnostic scholar like Bart Ehrman. Or you have dismissed the bible, because you can dismiss an American caricature of what is true. Most arguments against scripture attack low hanging fruit, created by evangelical culture in the last 200 years and not historic, exegetical reading of the text.

IE this whole thread is full of skeptics attacking Genesis for something it was not intended to be by the original authors. It was most likely a polemic written during the Babylonian captivity by Israelite scribes and scholars to one up their captors gods. The skeptics in this thread are over here thinking they can debunk this literary and theological masterpiece without even having the first idea of what its about. You see oddities in the old testament as foolish, because you are so academically illiterate of the subject matter you miss the theological points often being made by the writers using some of these weird devices.

Ultimately you miss, how a Sovereign God orchestrated and directed regular men over a couple thousand years, writing to their direct peers in history. To tell one unified story about the human condition, all pointing to the coming of Jesus. The promised one who takes away the sin of the world. Please spare me your google kong fu, YouTube atheist arguments against the historicity of the new testament. It is the earliest, most well preserved set of documents we have for any event in ancient history. Even if we lost every single writing of the new testament we still would have our current theology of Jesus because of non biblical writings dating to the early 2nd and late 1st century. I came out of nihilistic atheism. I lived years of my life there. There are no good arguments against the Life, death resurrection of Jesus. The historicity of the New Testament accounts is one of a kind in ancient scholarship. I wasn't raised Christian, I didn't just follow a blind faith passed on to me. When all the lights come on, Christianity holds up.

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Holy shite you are fricking stupid.

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Ignoring all substance. You are showing how sophomoric, academically your arguments are. You entire worldview is based on an unexamined logical disaster.

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You, quite literally, have said absolutely nothing in your convoluted word salad. Murder was “bad” before god. Stealing was “bad” before god. Social norms made those things “bad”. Not some god.

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Which means those things are not good nor bad. Just societal creations. So you have no standing nor complaint to evaluate a creator's existence because of them. They are meaningless terms. These are ideas are the equivalent of what rocks dream of in their final conclusion.

Whereas I can stand confidently and say the holocaust, was objectively wrong. It will be wrong in 1 trillion years as it was when it happened. You cannot say the same from a logical perspective.

I also don't expect you to counter my whole diatribe. Honestly it would probably be most productive for both of our days (especially my work day) if we just agree to disagree. People don't typically change their minds in keyboard wars.

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That was really tough. It took a total 5 seconds.

But still not a single person has given me one example of observable evidence of a change of kind to support Darwin’s evolutionism. A change of kind is a viable question in the evolution theory.

The only answers I have received are adaptation changes and an antelope becoming an antelope.


I still wait but nobody here can give me an answer. Not even one.

Waiting

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I am a little confused why I have to it was very clear. beerJeep: Goodness is subjective and based on self preservation. Me: Hitler also acted in what he believed was self preservation. Therefore he was good by the actual standard you proposed. beerJeep: Unable to follow a logical train of thought.

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No. You said that I agree with hitler that it is good and that humanity agreed that it was good.

One man thinking something is good =/= humanity accepting it as good.

But, yeah. Self preservation absolutely helped fascism and nazism rise in that people flocked to it out of self preservation.

It’s better to be the guard at Auschwitz than a prisoner at auschwitz, even if you disagree with the prison.

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No goodness comes from the very nature of God. There is no good apart from himself. He is the standard, the measuring stick. Human suffering, and humans are not the ultimate realities of the world. We believe humans to be valuable because they are image bearers of God. So yes human beings have value in our worldview. Just not ultimate value.

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Wrong. “Goodness” existed before your pitiful god. It comes from self preservation.

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However we have a loving God, full of mercy.

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Tell that to the children dying of cancer. Tell that to the children dying of starvation. Where is your god? He is killing them. How is that good? How is that just?

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The evil and suffering in this world exist, to serve a greater good

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Your child has cancer so you will learn to love me!!!!

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A chance to come into fellowship with a the source of all things.A chance to experience ultimate love, joy and fulfillment.

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Or…. You know…. God could simply not kill innocent children and let their parents know and experience the ultimate love, joy, and fulfillment of having a healthy child.

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Ignoring all substance. You are showing how sophomoric, academically your arguments are. You entire worldview is based on an unexamined logical disaster.

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Your entire world view is based on fairy tales and make believe stories. Your. God. Is. A. Lie.

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Which means those things are not good nor bad. Just societal creations

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Goodness is a societal creation.

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I also don't expect you to counter my whole diatribe. Honestly it would probably be most productive for both of our days (especially my work day) if we just agree to disagree. People don't typically change their minds in keyboard wars.

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Your god is a lie. Your Bible is a lie. Your world view is a lie.

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I also don't expect you to counter my whole diatribe. Honestly it would probably be most productive for both of our days (especially my work day) if we just agree to disagree. People don't typically change their minds in keyboard wars.

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So you just wanted the last word?

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Give me one example. Name one animal.

Please, I am begging you.

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Most investigators agree, however, that the cat's most ancient ancestor probably was a weasel-like animal called Miacis, which lived about 40 to 50 million years ago. Miacis is believed by many to be the common ancestor of all land-dwelling carnivores, including dogs as well as cats

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That is someones rendering on a piece of fossil.

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"I'm right. You should just agree to disagree. That will make my day easier."

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Thanks for your edit, it made your post much more clear.


But yes, both parties in this case believe they are correct. Neither party can agree to the same presuppositions to begin constructive discussion. My time is finite. I decided to move on. I believe I am right. He does as well.


Good day to you.