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re: How did veterinary medicine come to be a female-dominated profession?
Posted on 9/14/15 at 6:22 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 9/14/15 at 6:22 pm to LSUFanHouston
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With those finances, you have to really love what you do.
My vet does all right, but there are some pretty bad parts to it. She hates euthanizing animals. The worst must be when you can do something for a patient and the owner says, "nah, just put him down."
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Posted on 9/14/15 at 6:37 pm to aVatiger
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That being said, male vets are way better, imo... female vet's do a lot of dumb shite and are less competent as a whole, this is a fact.
Wow. Rare to see such ignorance on display. Sorry your sister and family were such incompetents that you harbor such an opinion. Like all professions, it depends on the individual. I've met outstanding DVMs of both sexes. Heard of some shitty ones as well. DIsagree about vocational attitudes too. again, it rests on the individual.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 6:47 pm to Jim Rockford
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It seems like practically all the younger ones are women.
More sensitive.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 7:20 pm to DownSouthDave
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What's the starting salary range in br? Gf is doing the vet thing, but can never give me a good number...except how much debt she will have.
I honestly don't know. Money isn't really a thing for her but a girl she graduated with drives an old jeep Cherokee and lives rent free in one of our condos, for whatever that's worth.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 7:25 pm to Barf
shite. That's what I figured.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 7:44 pm to DownSouthDave
My wife graduated from LSU Vet School in 2009. We lived in Walker and had to move to the DFW area for work. She only had one possibility at the time around BR. The pay was in the mid 50s. She had 4 offers in the DFW area with the lowest in the 60s. She now makes in the low six figures and will be purchasing the clinic where she works next June. Her debt load eclipsed 100k which sucks but it is what she has wanted to do since being a kid.
I think the reason it is predominantly female is pay has gone down and the reduction of need for large animal vets. Like any medical field, you have to love doing the job.
I think the reason it is predominantly female is pay has gone down and the reduction of need for large animal vets. Like any medical field, you have to love doing the job.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 7:54 pm to Jim Rockford
The reasons for it aren't an issue to me.
The vet we use is a female LSU grad and is awesome. Wouldn't take an animal to another. She did find it amusing that we have a cat named Toonces who resembles that shitty logo...the reason for the name.
Edit to say that her grandfather was a vet in the area for decades and she always hung around his clinic, and I'm sure was inspired by him.
The vet we use is a female LSU grad and is awesome. Wouldn't take an animal to another. She did find it amusing that we have a cat named Toonces who resembles that shitty logo...the reason for the name.
Edit to say that her grandfather was a vet in the area for decades and she always hung around his clinic, and I'm sure was inspired by him.
This post was edited on 9/14/15 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:03 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
Yeah, her debt is going to be over 100k. It's getting tougher because the tuition has gone up 50% in the last couple years.
I figure like anything else, the real money is in ownership.
I figure like anything else, the real money is in ownership.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:05 pm to Jim Rockford
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The average starting salary for all students accepting employment was $45,575, down 3 percent from $46,971 in 2011. When excluding graduates entering advanced education, the average starting salary was $65,404, down 1.6 percent from the average starting salary of $66,469 in 2011.
AVMA stats from 2012. Can't link the article, just google AVMA starting salaries
Distribution of Starting Salaries for 2013 U.S. Veterinary Medical College Graduates who accepted a FULL TIME position (including graduates in advanced study).
Starting Salary Range 2013 (%)
Less than $23,000 2.4
$23,000 to $26,999 11.8
$27,000 to $30,999 20.1
$31,000 to $34,999 5.6
$35,000 to $38,999 4.5
$39,000 to $42,999 2.8
$43,000 to $46,999 1.2
$47,000 to $50,999 2.6
$51,000 to $54,999 0.7
$55,000 to $58,999 2.7
$59,000 to $62,999 7.6
$63,000 to $66,999 9.2
$67,000 to $70,999 9.7
$71,000 to $74,999 2.9
$75,000 to $78,999 4.7
$79,000 to $82,999 3.7
$83,000 to $86,999 3.2
$87,000 to $90,999 2.2
$91,000 + 2.4
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:10 pm to tigerinthebueche
The market in Baton Rouge is saturated. Same with any town that has a vet school. Staying in town means always making less than the averages.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:18 pm to DownSouthDave
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shite. That's what I figured.
My wife says most of the jobs that were open to recent grads are/were in the $35-50k range. Vets don't have a residency so they just go right to work. Nobody is going to gamble big money on a 24-25 year old DVM who's never had a job outside the vet school. She worked on a farm so she had a few more options. A lot of her vet school friends never had a job until after graduation. The ones that came from the "school is my job" mindset got shite offers. The ones that worked, even part time jobs at restaurants, got better offers. The one that was the stripper got the best offer oddly enough.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:20 pm to BRgetthenet
Very true.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:21 pm to Jim Rockford
The patients are unable to complain about the low quality of care so it's perfect for the gals that couldn't become real doctors.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:22 pm to DownSouthDave
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gure like anything else, the real money is in ownership.
With very few baby boomer vets retiring, the number of new clinics popping up all over the place and get school enrolment numbers increasing every year, opening a single owner practice is financial suicide unless your are in a tremendous market in a metro area and work 60+ hours a week.
In short, millennials don't have a chance. And I called this shite back in '07-'08 because I saw it coming.
The sad thing is, it is only going to get worse because no one is telling these kid's,"hey, the vet field is oversaturated like crazy and only going to get worse, unless you got a boat load of money and can afford it... Try another field", but no... they will be the next line of struggling lawyers
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:29 pm to aVatiger
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opening a single owner practice is financial suicide unless your are in a tremendous market in a metro area and work 60+ hours a week.
Disagree somewhat. My wife is a solo equine practitioner in rural La. We/she opened a clinic three years ago. Prior to that she operated out of our home. She has a great practice and makes pretty damn good money. She works her arse off, we have no kids, haven't taken a vacation longer than 3 days in 12 years, and holidays are pretty much nonexistent. There's money in the profession but you have to be a shrewd business person, want to work your arse off- a lot, and mind your cash flow. It's not the easiest way to earn a living, but to say its suicide is simply false.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:30 pm to aVatiger
She has worked at a vet clinic during breaks and gotten great experience, especially in aiding in surgery. Amd beyond that, she has had jobs working with animals in different capacities for her whole life.
Baby boomers don't have to retire, they'll start kicking the bucket before too long. I feel pretty good about the younger generations odds in a war of attrition. Big difference I see between vets snd lawyers is that there are only a handful of vet schools, and they have a limited number of students. While some markets are saturated, I'm sure a lot of places are in need.
Baby boomers don't have to retire, they'll start kicking the bucket before too long. I feel pretty good about the younger generations odds in a war of attrition. Big difference I see between vets snd lawyers is that there are only a handful of vet schools, and they have a limited number of students. While some markets are saturated, I'm sure a lot of places are in need.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:35 pm to tigerinthebueche
This post was edited on 9/14/15 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:44 pm to BRgetthenet
Yep
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:48 pm to tigerinthebueche
Hmmm
I have a cousin that's got the same set up going.
Was her father in the stable bidness?
I have a cousin that's got the same set up going.
Was her father in the stable bidness?
Posted on 9/14/15 at 8:53 pm to BRgetthenet
Negative. Her dad worked for Exxon.
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