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re: How Corrupt Is Our Healthcare System?
Posted on 6/23/19 at 2:57 pm to lsucoonass
Posted on 6/23/19 at 2:57 pm to lsucoonass
Yeah, I find it hard to believe that it doesn't go on anymore.
It goes on in just about every industry. I worked at a place where vendors would potential clients all kinds of "gifts". And the company had to crack down on employees who were taking advantage of the salesmen, knowing they were not going to do business with them, but lead them along just to get tickets to games, etc.. Some people would do it a few times a week just to get free lunch.
But when it comes to the medical industry is that you are dealing with people's lives. Like the story I posted in the OP. There were doctors getting kickbacks from the company who supplied the material needed to do back and neck fusions.
Because the doctors were getting kickbacks, they started performing more surgeries (A hospital in Long Beach did over 5000 of the surgeries from 2001 - 09, which was, I think 3 times more than any other hospital in California). Because demand was growing the company wasn't able to get enough supply from the South Korean company that made the products so they had a machine shop make them.
The materials included screws that were made with a certain type of metal that could be put in the human body and not cause pain or infections. When they started using the materials made at a machine shop, that's when people started having more problems than before the surgery, infestions, etc.
At the beginning of the episode it was mentioned that type of activity is rampant in the medical industry because it is easy.. Most people go to their doctor and trust what they say, but I guess what I am asking is... Is this something that happens so often that people should always question their doctor's decisions, etc?
It goes on in just about every industry. I worked at a place where vendors would potential clients all kinds of "gifts". And the company had to crack down on employees who were taking advantage of the salesmen, knowing they were not going to do business with them, but lead them along just to get tickets to games, etc.. Some people would do it a few times a week just to get free lunch.
But when it comes to the medical industry is that you are dealing with people's lives. Like the story I posted in the OP. There were doctors getting kickbacks from the company who supplied the material needed to do back and neck fusions.
Because the doctors were getting kickbacks, they started performing more surgeries (A hospital in Long Beach did over 5000 of the surgeries from 2001 - 09, which was, I think 3 times more than any other hospital in California). Because demand was growing the company wasn't able to get enough supply from the South Korean company that made the products so they had a machine shop make them.
The materials included screws that were made with a certain type of metal that could be put in the human body and not cause pain or infections. When they started using the materials made at a machine shop, that's when people started having more problems than before the surgery, infestions, etc.
At the beginning of the episode it was mentioned that type of activity is rampant in the medical industry because it is easy.. Most people go to their doctor and trust what they say, but I guess what I am asking is... Is this something that happens so often that people should always question their doctor's decisions, etc?
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 2:57 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
No you go ahead genius. You’re the one who thinks he’s right. Explain to us all what an asset is and how it is accounted on the books while you’re at it.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 2:59 pm to OweO
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I worked at a place where vendors would potential clients all kinds of "gifts". And the company had to crack down on employees who were taking advantage of the salesmen, knowing they were not going to do business with them, but lead them along just to get tickets to games, etc.. Some people would do it a few times a week just to get free lunch.
That's not illegal, it is in medicine
Posted on 6/23/19 at 2:59 pm to RealityTiger
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No you go ahead genius. You’re the one who thinks he’s right. Explain to us all what an asset is and how it is accounted on the books while you’re at it.
I already said I don't know, explain it to me.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 3:22 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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That's not illegal, it is in medicine
It wasn't illegal, but there eventually became a company policy specifically on practices associated with vendors/salespeople. The funny thing is.. Evidently, it all started after a few vendors complained about how they felt that several employees had taken advantage of them.
The funny part about that is it went like this. Vendor would call someone on the project. Ask them if they would like to go to lunch. While at lunch there were vendors who would offer tickets to LSU, Saints, Pelican games among other things.
Just because someone takes what they are offered doesn't mean they will automatically do business with them and most of the time they would get in touch with someone who didn't even approve what vendors would be used, but that's completely different that what I am referring to in this thread.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 3:40 pm to OweO
Man, I checked out myself, much more than I expected.
However, 2/3 comes from a course I took on robotic surgery, that if I wanted to do robotic surgery, I had to take. And patients want robotic surgery.
Another large chunk comes from a course I did on wound care, and I’m pretty sure I paid for a large portion of the course.
There’s a drug that I would never use, since it’s for diabetes and I don’t manage diabetes.
However, 2/3 comes from a course I took on robotic surgery, that if I wanted to do robotic surgery, I had to take. And patients want robotic surgery.
Another large chunk comes from a course I did on wound care, and I’m pretty sure I paid for a large portion of the course.
There’s a drug that I would never use, since it’s for diabetes and I don’t manage diabetes.
This post was edited on 6/23/19 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 6/23/19 at 4:24 pm to OweO
I don’t know if this falls under how corrupt or perhaps it best describes how out of whack our system is,but with our last child, born almost a year ago, it was cheaper for us to not use our health insurance and pay all fees out of pocket prior to birth. We saved a several thousand doing so.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 5:08 pm to OweO
It's corrupt. About a couple years ago I was listening to a PBS interview on the problem of exploding medical cost. Dealt with basic causes for the problem. I remember the interview because I was stunned at the revelations about the reason for this problem. The guest was a female MD operating in the northeast somewhere. She was giving examples of the charges hospitals were allowed to charge patients for treatment of common ailments. In one case the charge to treat a particular ailment (was not a serious ailment - rather routine) was between$ 450 and $ 43,000. That was the absurd range between charges the hospitals was allowed to charge the patient for a hospital stay.
I wondered if the charge range varied by region? What about the cost of indegent care? Like how much of the cost of providing care for illegals (for example) or migrants was rolled over into the cost hospital charged and passed on to their insured patients? Tried to catch most of the interview but I was on the road. Missed portions of the broadcast.
I remember thinking........at some point in the future the system will crash. Only ultra-wealthy will be able to afford quality medical care at a good facility. For the rest of us grunts, our monthly medical premiums will slowly grow to the point we'll be paying rediculously high premiums for the MD to prescribe aspirin. Forget about adequate Doctor-Patient consulations.
Donald Trump was supposed to deal with that. Believe it was one of his campaign promises. To my knowledge no progress has been made on that.
Not good
I wondered if the charge range varied by region? What about the cost of indegent care? Like how much of the cost of providing care for illegals (for example) or migrants was rolled over into the cost hospital charged and passed on to their insured patients? Tried to catch most of the interview but I was on the road. Missed portions of the broadcast.
I remember thinking........at some point in the future the system will crash. Only ultra-wealthy will be able to afford quality medical care at a good facility. For the rest of us grunts, our monthly medical premiums will slowly grow to the point we'll be paying rediculously high premiums for the MD to prescribe aspirin. Forget about adequate Doctor-Patient consulations.
Donald Trump was supposed to deal with that. Believe it was one of his campaign promises. To my knowledge no progress has been made on that.
Not good
This post was edited on 6/23/19 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:16 pm to GeorgePaton
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It's corrupt. About a couple years ago I was listening to a PBS interview
You're basing your opinion on a highly regulated and complicated industry on an interview that you vaguely recall details of?
This is the reason there's so much false shite on the internet
Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:52 pm to GeorgePaton
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for the MD to prescribe aspirin.
The summer before my 5th grade year I had rods put in my back. For some reason I remember this, but I had to stay in the hospital for about two weeks (at the time I was told I would have to be in the hospital between 4-6 weeks, but my progress was going well so I was discharged early)... Anyway, they had given my tylenol.. This was in the late 80s.. The hospital charged $10 per tylenol.
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