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re: How can American society fix this mass shooter phenomenon?

Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:56 pm to
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:56 pm to
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I'm not a fan of any sort of solution like this because any power given to the government will be misused.


Exactly.

Which puts us right back to we might as well just accept that our children will continue to be violently murdered.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:57 pm to
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Link?
Go find any story out today about teh Uvalde school door being unlocked. Maybe we should lock school entrances before we try mass disarming the public.

Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62500 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:57 pm to
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Which puts us right back to we might as well just accept that our children will continue to be violently murdered.
I hope you don't have an HOA. They're going to be pizzed about that 8 story tall strawman you're building.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:57 pm to
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This dude is completely lost. He thinks semi auto rifles weren't a thing for civilians until the 90s.


What are you even talking about?

Can you link to where I even implied that?
Posted by HouseMom
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:59 pm to
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The difference is back then you had clear lines of good vs. evil.


This is the fallout of Roe v. Wade and the "women's movement" coming home to roost. If you tell people that babies are "products of conception" or a "clump of cells" long enough, they start to believe you. The notion that children are disposable is fairly new to our country, and these are the first generations of kids that have heard that their entire lives.

The first post-Roe babies were in high school in the early 90's.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:01 pm to
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This is the fallout of Roe v. Wade
That intellectually lazy. It's not that simple.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:04 pm to
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we might as well just accept that our children will continue to be violently murdered.

that 8 story tall strawman you're building.


"Strawman"? I don't think that word means what you think it does.

All I'm saying is that since nothing has changed since Columbine, I don't expect anything will change after Uvalde, or the proceeding mass murders of children.

I'm not saying anything Earth-shattering, I'm not laying out solutions, I'm saying the problem, at least as I see it, is unsolvable. We are a violent people who demand individual liberties to the detriment of society as a whole.

Love it or leave it.

And yet, as simple as that message is, it has been misconstrued all over this thread.
Posted by AllDayEveryDay
Nawf Tejas
Member since Jun 2015
9273 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:04 pm to
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Domestic Box Office Rank Release Total Gross
1 Spider-Man: No Way Home $804,667,830 2 Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings $224,543,292
3 Venom: Let There Be Carnage $213,550,366
4 Black Widow $183,651,655


International box office:
Rank Release Total Gross
1 Spider-Man: No Way Home 1.1 billion
2 Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings 360 million
3 Venom: Let There Be Carnage 400 million
4 Black Widow 367 million

Not sure what you're on about with that argument
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 4:05 pm
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:05 pm to
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What are you even talking about?

Can you link to where I even implied that?

Your cute little "I don't believe you" gif backfired, huh?
Posted by HouseMom
Member since Jun 2020
1705 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:06 pm to
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That intellectually lazy. It's not that simple.


Then enlighten me, oh wise one. I didn't say it was the only reason, but stripping the dignity of the most vulnerable humans is huge and not something that has existed throughout history. Maybe you're as brainwashed as the rest.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:06 pm to
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Maybe we should lock school entrances before we try mass disarming the public.

Well, there it is, folks, the solution to all of our school shootings problem, just lock the front door!

Why didn't we think of that sooner?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62500 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:10 pm to
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"Strawman"? I don't think that word means what you think it does.
It clearly does. Unless you can show us where people are widely saying it's acceptable to shoot children. You are the only person saying that.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:12 pm to
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Your cute little "I don't believe you" gif backfired, huh?

WTF does that have to do with semi-auto rifles?

I just don't believe that we had more privately held firearms than we had residents. I still don't believe it. Someone showed a graph of homes with guns declining, but that doesn't show how many guns are on the street now compared with the past.

For example, I had one firearm in 1992. I have more than that now. It's still just one home with guns, but the number of guns has increased.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62500 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:12 pm to
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Then enlighten me, oh wise one.
Sorry. I'm not going to even attempt to list all of the social depravity that's grown to being acceptable over the last 40 years for you. This isn't a one-variable issue.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62500 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:13 pm to
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Well, there it is, folks, the solution to all of our school shootings problem, just lock the front door!

Why didn't we think of that sooner?
Ask the Uvalde administrators. I don't have teh answer. But i can tell you it's a lot more feasible and effective than anything democrats have suggested to date.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 4:14 pm
Posted by HouseMom
Member since Jun 2020
1705 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:17 pm to
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Sorry. I'm not going to even attempt to list all of the social depravity that's grown to being acceptable over the last 40 years for you. This isn't a one-variable issue.


I completely agree with you on our astounding moral decay, but to call me "intellectually lazy" isn't fair here. The point is that these issues have skyrocketed in the last 20 years. Let's focus on that.
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
5288 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:18 pm to
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What I want to discuss is how we can change society to where we don’t breed people like this?

You can have 349,999,999 perfect citizens and 1 loose wire and a shooting will happen. There’s too many people and too many guns to prevent them. You’re going to have nutcases with guns and bad intentions.

The best we can do is focus on our own safety as individuals and any facilities we are in charge of protecting. But if anyone wants one of us dead and is willing to accept the consequences, there’s really nothing we can do. We’re all vulnerable.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:19 pm to
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people are widely saying it's acceptable to shoot children. You are the only person saying that.

Perhaps I'm the only one implying it, but the fact is that for the last 23+ years we haven't done anything about it. If you identify a problem, and don't do anything about it for a whole generation, you've de facto accepted it. Wailing and gnashing of teeth is just theater, not actually doing something to solve the problem.

In other words, I'm not so much saying that it's acceptable to slaughter children, just that we HAVE come to accept it whether we want to admit it or not.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62500 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:22 pm to
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I'm the only one implying it
Quite the admission.

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If you identify a problem, and don't do anything about it for a whole generation, you've de facto accepted it. Wailing and gnashing of teeth is just theater, not actually doing something to solve the problem.
You're presuming that "society" is somehow going to change the actions of a determined, motivated, mentally ill, madman. That premise is weak at best. But even accepting it does not equal acceptance of killing children.

By your logic every crime is deemed acceptable because society hasn't stopped it. That is silly.

You're capable of better than this.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 4:25 pm
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:27 pm to
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more feasible and effective than anything democrats have suggested to date.



There's your problem, you're a partisan hack.

NO ONE has come up with the solutions, not Democrats NOR REPUBLICANS either. You people just keep throwing it back and forth at each other pretending to care, meanwhile the fact that nothing gets done in a generation belies your 'concern'. It's best to just carry on with our individual liberties, cry at the appropriate times, accuse the 'other side' of incompetency, and then continue to go about our business.

BTW, once the schools are all locked up, what are you going to do about all those soft school busses full of children? There will always be soft targets.
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