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re: How can American society fix this mass shooter phenomenon?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:04 pm to Centinel
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:04 pm to Centinel
What is the problem then? If its so easy to state then just state it. In my mind the problem is quite clearly the number of school shootings. So my solution is to curb down the number
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:07 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
You don't believe what, exactly? It's a fact that semi auto rifles and "high capacity" magazines have been available to civilians since at least the 1940s.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:08 pm to Greace
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Not sure that is actually able to be figured out. You cant exactly just interview these people and ask why they did what they did. So why not start to take steps to make it harder for these people to acquire the weapons they use to perform them?
He passed a Federal background check and had no official, documented history of mental illness. What changes would you like to see to the gun purchasing process?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:11 pm to Tiger1242
First, I think teenage boys of that age are already pretty unstable to begin with just with all the hormones' raging and what not. Let's face it, most of us did stupid shite at that age. This kid had to be a disturbed individual on top of that.
So, it think the first step is getting some sort of mental health screening or something to that affect and put that into the curriculum for all high schoolers. This kid probably would've raised some red flags.
Next step is the access to the weapons. Why not raise the age to purchase a weapon like this to 21. Include a extended wait time. Limit the amount of ammo that can be purchased for this age group, etc. Special exemptions may be granted to those who've enlisted. This is not all guns either, just guns like the AR-15. I think traditional hunting rifles and handguns could be exempted.
School security needs to be beefed up. All exterior doors should be locked at all times. School resources officers need to be trained and have clearance for this type of work. The school resource officer we had when I was in High School was nothing more than a mascot trying to sniff out weed.
I don't think this will stop school shootings but, certainly it would help to prevent these mass casualty events.
So, it think the first step is getting some sort of mental health screening or something to that affect and put that into the curriculum for all high schoolers. This kid probably would've raised some red flags.
Next step is the access to the weapons. Why not raise the age to purchase a weapon like this to 21. Include a extended wait time. Limit the amount of ammo that can be purchased for this age group, etc. Special exemptions may be granted to those who've enlisted. This is not all guns either, just guns like the AR-15. I think traditional hunting rifles and handguns could be exempted.
School security needs to be beefed up. All exterior doors should be locked at all times. School resources officers need to be trained and have clearance for this type of work. The school resource officer we had when I was in High School was nothing more than a mascot trying to sniff out weed.
I don't think this will stop school shootings but, certainly it would help to prevent these mass casualty events.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:12 pm to Tiger1242
Realistically, nobody wants to fix it. People are too worried about themselves, their own rights and interpretations of laws and rules. They don’t care about this until it kills one of their own.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:13 pm to Centinel
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Don't you think that's something we might want to take a look in to?
One of my main points is that if we haven't "looked into" it in the 23+ years since Columbine, it seems like we never will.
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That should be the focus. Yet no one wants to do this. Instead everyone just wants to make easy, token gestures that don't do shite to address the problem...because that would be hard.
I think Americans look around at other countries that don't have such murders and see what the difference is. One stark difference is far fewer guns. In that case, it's hard to blame them for coming to the conclusion that fewer guns might lead to fewer mass murders.
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No. We are not a violent nation. Only a small segment is
Wrong. WE are a deeply violent nation. Just look at what we call "entertainment". Cop shows on TV constantly showing violence and murders, and the police violating people's rights. Movies that involve nothing but fighting and mayhem. Even our sports. We don't watch soccer like the rest of the world, we prefer the more violent sport of American football. Our crime rates are higher than other countries, only matched by our incarceration rates. Yes, we are a violent people.
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Don't you think with more guns than people in this country if we were all barbaric there would be gun battles in the streets 24/7? Yet that doesn't happen.
It happens far more here than in other developed nations.
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You've already ignored one example of why. Tsarnev made the cover of Rolling Stones, and he didn't even use a gun.
May as well play the Sacco/Vanzetti card. Neither Sacco, Vanzetti nor Tsarnev were Americans.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:14 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
You obviously have an infatuation with Europe, and other Countries. Have you ever taken the time to peruse their News sources ? You'd be very disheartened if you did because there's a LOT of violence that goes on around the world that is NEVER reported. All you'll see reported on our News outlets, regarding overseas News, is what they're told to report on that furthers the Agendas that they're pushing.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:15 pm to Greace
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What is the problem then?
A post-industrial society whose populace is addicted to mass technology (specifically social media) has created a large number of seriously isolated, lonely and anti-social lunatics. John Donne once said "no man is an island". For almost all of human history that's been true, but not anymore.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:15 pm to fallguy_1978
quote:Fortune tellers! We need gun buyers to meet with fortune tellers so they can predict what they will do in the future. Palm readers, Tarot card readers, and crystal balls are going to save us all. Why are you against common sense gun regulation?
He passed a Federal background check and had no official, documented history of mental illness. What changes would you like to see to the gun purchasing process?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:16 pm to fallguy_1978
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Next step is the access to the weapons. Why not raise the age to purchase a weapon like this to 21. Include a extended wait time. Limit the amount of ammo that can be purchased for this age group, etc. Special exemptions may be granted to those who've enlisted. This is not all guns either, just guns like the AR-15. I think traditional hunting rifles and handguns could be exempted.
This is basically what I discussed with a work colleague earlier today.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:17 pm to kjp811
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Next step is the access to the weapons. Why not raise the age to purchase a weapon like this to 21. Include a extended wait time. Limit the amount of ammo that can be purchased for this age group, etc. Special exemptions may be granted to those who've enlisted. This is not all guns either, just guns like the AR-15. I think traditional hunting rifles and handguns could be exempted.
NRA will say that once you budge a little that their will be even more restrictions in the future. NRA and its minions won't compromise on anything.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:17 pm to Centinel
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You cherry pick an occurrence that accounts for less than 1% of all murders in this country as the example why this country is barbaric, completely ignoring where and why the majority of other murders occur. The where and why both missing from most other developed nations.
You trying to say it's because of all the n*****s? They're the barbarians?
You don't think white Americans are more murderous than other white people?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:20 pm to fallguy_1978
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you aren't removing guns from American society in any meaningful way
Given.
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further fortify soft targets
I'm not sure that's feasible. We may fortify the targets of yesterday, but that only means other soft targets will be hit tomorrow.
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a better way to identify these people ahead of time.
How do you do that in the context of individual liberties?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:22 pm to RedHawk
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NRA will say that once you budge a little that their will be even more restrictions in the future. NRA and its minions won't compromise on anything.
Here is where defenders of the 2nd Amendment have compromised:
1934 NFA
1938 FFA
1968 Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act
1968 GCA
1988 UFA
1990 Gun-Free School Zones Act
1993 Brady Handgun Violence Protection Act
1994 AWB
Seems like the NRA is right based on history.
Now show me where gun control advocates have compromised?
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:23 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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You trying to say it's because of all the n*****s? They're the barbarians?
I didn't say that. I said culture. Interesting you jumped right to that, with that language.
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You don't think white Americans are more murderous than other white people?
I don't think your average American is any more murderous than other nations. We have a certain subculture that most certainly is. And it compromises all races and ethnicities, to include whites, Asians, and Hispanics.
I'm talking culture. You brought race in to it.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:25 pm to Centinel
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Seems like the NRA is right based on history.
So nothing since 1994 and yet school shootings and mass shootings have been hugely on the rise since the late 90s? Seems like we are far overdue for a correction to the current state of affairs IMO.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:25 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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How do you do that in the context of individual liberties?
I'm not a fan of any sort of solution like this because any power given to the government will be misused.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:27 pm to RedHawk
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So nothing since 1994 and yet school shootings and mass shootings have been hugely on the rise since the late 90s? Seems like we are far overdue for a correction to the current state of affairs IMO.
Your logic is shite. Access to firearms have been tightened since 1934. Mass shootings have only become more prevalent the past 20 years.
It should be the exact opposite. Mass shootings should have been more prevalent before these laws were put in place, and decreased.
The exact opposite has happened. Which should tell you it's not the fricking guns.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:28 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Now do possession and permissive sale restrictions for firearms. They'll work as well they do for drugs. There is your 'feasible'.
further fortify soft targets
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I'm not sure that's feasible.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:28 pm to Centinel
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The exact opposite has happened. Which should tell you it's not the fricking guns.
So what is it?
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