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re: How Boeing fell apart.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 3:43 pm to artompkins
Posted on 10/23/24 at 3:43 pm to artompkins
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oeing fell apart when they had to bribe and conspire with our government to take away the Airbus award of their superior aircraft and make our military settle for their junk plane they can’t even supply. Bull shite arse company and has been for a long time
Being able to push politicians (i.e., John McCain) into forcing the reversal of that contract sent the absolute wrong lesson to Boeing's leadership.
I know a guy that was a higher-up in Northrup-Grumman Shipbuilding at the time. Now, shipbuilding isn't the same as aircraft manufacturing. Nevertheless, he visited the AirBus factory and he relayed his impression to me as, "How bad is Boeing right now that they can't beat these guys?"
Posted on 10/23/24 at 4:25 pm to Candyman
A wise man once said "Everything that goes woke goes to shite"
Posted on 10/23/24 at 4:41 pm to NoBoDawg
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to take away the Airbus award of their superior aircraft and make our military settle for their junk plane they can’t even supply. Bull shite arse company and has been for a long time.
lol….are you calling the 767 junk? You can make an argument that certain systems weren’t ready but the 767 is an incredible aircraft.
The Airbus A330 MRTT is used by multiple air forces around the world without problems and is far superior to the Boeing KC-46.
Posted on 10/23/24 at 4:43 pm to prplhze2000
That whole article is bullshite, fed by gripes of legacy Boeing employees that didn't make the cut in the buyout.
Bottom line, no one “forced” Boeing to buy MD… they wanted to buy them because Boeing sucked at winning military contracts, MD dominated the military market, so they bought MD to get the F-15 F-18 C-17 and Apache production lines. They largely shut down MD’s airliner production, and slapped the Boeing name on military stuff.
Boeing’s issues started long after the merger. Its an excuse and a cope, like blaming Chrysler's current state on the AMC buyout. Lockheed and Martin Marietta were “engineer-driven” companies too. It didn't stop them from screwing up their modern aircraft programs. What’s going on at Boeing is going on in the vast majority of manufacturing companies: the ascent of Management Theory, and Shareholder Value Uber Alles. Thats a product of the modern American business climate, not a single merger that took place 30 years ago.
Bottom line, no one “forced” Boeing to buy MD… they wanted to buy them because Boeing sucked at winning military contracts, MD dominated the military market, so they bought MD to get the F-15 F-18 C-17 and Apache production lines. They largely shut down MD’s airliner production, and slapped the Boeing name on military stuff.
Boeing’s issues started long after the merger. Its an excuse and a cope, like blaming Chrysler's current state on the AMC buyout. Lockheed and Martin Marietta were “engineer-driven” companies too. It didn't stop them from screwing up their modern aircraft programs. What’s going on at Boeing is going on in the vast majority of manufacturing companies: the ascent of Management Theory, and Shareholder Value Uber Alles. Thats a product of the modern American business climate, not a single merger that took place 30 years ago.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 9:31 am to Harry Wong
The new CEO graduated in mechanical engineering and worked many years at Rockwell. Hopefully he will restore the engineering culture.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 9:59 am to Thorny
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I know a guy that was a higher-up in Northrup-Grumman Shipbuilding at the time
I wouldn’t trust anything a guy with that company had to say. LOL
I was involved with them back in 20 or so years ago, and that whole fricking division was a mess. They put out a first model of a navy ship (Avondale/Ingalls) that was more than double original estimates and years late. The boat was so poorly built that it might as well have been used for target practice.
After 9/11 they got a ton of money to build Coast Guard vessels and retrofit some others and they whole damn program went to shite.
And let’s not forget the Ingals cluster fck of doing some shady shite by signing off on bad QA checks and getting busted by the Navy.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 10:38 am to DesScorp
management theory is kind of vague.
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