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re: Hopefully EV owners in Florida are filling up cans with electricity for the coming days

Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:10 pm to
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29044 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:10 pm to
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well....I'm not the one who's trusting youtube videos
Now you're getting dumber.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16648 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:10 pm to
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well....I'm not the one who's trusting youtube videos

He’s right. You can just admit you were wrong. I really don’t feel like moving from my iPad to my laptop to do pull the actual regen vs discharge data but I can if I really need to.
Posted by GerseyCX
Member since Sep 2022
75 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:11 pm to
I've had Chevy Bolt EV nearly 2 years. Never used public charging. Have Level 2 plug setup in my garage, usually only use Level 1 as it might help battery life. Don't miss ICE cars don't care about Environmental or Political reasons. Fun, Zippy Car for my urban driving. I appreciate giant trucks and SUVs they are great too. But don't meet my needs.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16648 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:18 pm to
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I've had Chevy Bolt EV nearly 2 years. Never used public charging.

This is pretty common. Like 30ish% of EV owners. When you move it from never to 3 or less a year it goes to 60+%.
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usually only use Level 1 as it might help battery life.

As long as you have your max normal charge capped and not trying to squeeze it to 100% everyday it’s perfectly fine to use level 2 regularly. The data shows minimal degradation differences from a mid range level 2 charge less frequently than a more regular level 1 charge. It’s basically a nothing burger and not worth the inconvenience.

ETA disclaimer I only get Tesla data and can’t speak to correlation with other batter management systems.
This post was edited on 9/27/22 at 7:21 pm
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62645 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:22 pm to
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Hey do you think it's harder to find gas or electricity in Tampa right now?

Then after the storm passes do you think you will be able to get gas anywhere unless they also have electricity (even if the station is on a generator)?


Never been through a hurricane?
Posted by loopback
Member since Jul 2011
4989 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:24 pm to
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I really don’t feel like moving from my iPad to my laptop to do pull the actual regen vs discharge data but I can if I really need to.


Pull it, show me how a 10 mile tow with regen braking engaged will charge up 50 miles of battery life.

Factor in battery temp, grade and tow speed too
This post was edited on 9/27/22 at 7:28 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29044 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:30 pm to
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Never been through a hurricane?
Been through many. It is often a challenge to find gas, but there are always more than a dozen homes in my neighborhood with natgas generators running.

We've been over this many times ITT. Unless you are parked right next to a working gas pump, you are almost certainly closer to a working power outlet than you are to a working gas pump. That's true at all times, with or without a storm.
Posted by MightyYat
StB Garden District
Member since Jan 2009
25029 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:43 pm to
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Been through many. It is often a challenge to find gas, but there are always more than a dozen homes in my neighborhood with natgas generators running.

We've been over this many times ITT. Unless you are parked right next to a working gas pump, you are almost certainly closer to a working power outlet than you are to a working gas pump. That's true at all times, with or without a storm.


So, wait. To adapt to this lifestyle I have to invest in:

•A $100k+ EV truck (I’ve already stated why I need towing capabilities)
•A $10k+ home charging system
•$10k+ on a home generator or solar panels or both.

All because people are trying to convince the general public that oil is the boogeyman? This is an even dumber argument than originally thought. It’ll never work. The incomes and infrastructure in this country won’t allow it.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16648 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:44 pm to
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Pull it, show me how a 10 mile tow with regen braking engaged will charge up 50 miles of battery life.

Using the model 3 as an example the max regen rate is 76kW. Part of the reason for that is because they have a limit of .2-.3g depending on regen mode. Given that ~60kW is pretty normal, so let's use that. So, 10 minutes, or 1/6th of an hr at 60kW = 10 kWh. The model 3 uses about .24kWh per miles which equals 41.67 miles of additional range. Those are conservative estimates and more have been observed in real world scenarios.

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Factor in battery temp, grade and tow speed too

You're grasping at straws to try and get out of being wrong.
Posted by Byrdybyrd05
Member since Nov 2014
26425 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:45 pm to
I can’t think of nothing worse than trying to evacuate in gridlock traffic and the battery goes to almost empty.
Posted by GerseyCX
Member since Sep 2022
75 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:46 pm to
I usually drive 10-15 miles per day. Max charge to 80% don't recharge until around 40% about 2 weeks for me. Only use level 2 when needed.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16648 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:47 pm to
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•A $10k+ home charging system

What charging system costs $10k?
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•$10k+ on a home generator or solar panels or both.

Yes, if you want to build your own power plant it's going to cost some money.

Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16648 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:48 pm to
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I can’t think of nothing worse than trying to evacuate in gridlock traffic and the battery goes to almost empty.
thats not how this works. EVs are frick tons more efficient in traffic than any ICE vehicle ever made.

Think about this for a second. Whats better, idling a multi-liter engine or using a couple wH to run HVAC and the control electronics?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29044 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:52 pm to
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So, wait. To adapt to this lifestyle I have to invest in:

•A $100k+ EV truck (I’ve already stated why I need towing capabilities)
•A $10k+ home charging system
•$10k+ on a home generator or solar panels or both.
Nope. You can just pay a neighbor or a local business for use of their generated power during prolonged outages, just like you pay for gas.

The funniest part to me is how big a deal you folks are making out of this, when this only happens a handful of times per decade for people living in the most hurricane-prone areas.
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All because people are trying to convince the general public that oil is the boogeyman?
I've seen absolutely zero of that in this thread, and it is extremely rare on this site in general.
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This is an even dumber argument than originally thought. It’ll never work. The incomes and infrastructure in this country won’t allow it.
What won't work? Charging an EV in storm ravaged areas? I'll repeat it yet again: there is already an enormous installed base of generators in this country, especially in areas prone to hurricanes.

I honestly don't know how some of you folks manage to survive day to day life.
Posted by Byrdybyrd05
Member since Nov 2014
26425 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:53 pm to
Well lol

Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16648 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:56 pm to
and thats fair. My wife has one, and she loves it but i'm still driving my gas guzzling GX and my ethanol burning GTR.
Posted by Byrdybyrd05
Member since Nov 2014
26425 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:00 pm to
I have a ego electric push mower. I love not having to go to the gas pump to fill the gas tank and not having to smell it. I’m just not ready to rely on a electric car.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16648 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:03 pm to
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I have a ego electric push mower. I love not having to go to the gas pump to fill the gas tank and not having to smell it.

I have one too. Have you done the dual blade upgrade yet? If yours didn't come with it or you haven't i highly recommend it.
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I’m just not ready to rely on a electric car.

Me either. I drive pretty far once a month to pick up my son and we take 6hr one way trips to west Texas regularly. An EV won't work for that. And I love track days at COTA and while i had fun lapping a Plaid there, it's just not the same as an ICE and never will be.
Posted by MRTigerFan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
6365 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:04 pm to
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Not even close to the truth
That is very close to the truth. Actually my estimate might have been too conservative.



According to this you can damage your Tesla and void the warranty by doing that. And if you read here it says that those YouTube videos that you linked are misleading
Posted by Byrdybyrd05
Member since Nov 2014
26425 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:06 pm to
I didn’t know about the dual blade upgrade. Thanks for telling telling me, I will definitely get that!
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