re: Hopefully EV owners in Florida are filling up cans with electricity for the coming days

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No gas, no charging a car. If you prepared you had a generator and a few 5 gallon cans on gas to keep the refrig and freezer cold.

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I have gas and natural gas generators. How do people not understand having multiple sources of energy is prudent? An EV would have helped me substantially during Ida

I don't have an EV, but the hate of them is ignorant.

EVs are clearly the future of transportation. Just like ICE vehicles were once.

Get. Over. It.

Read his license plate.

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10 out of 12 houses in my cul-de-sac have standby generators. Both of the 2 who don't already have one installed, have one on order.

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Yep. I can't think of a single house in our neighborhood that doesn't have solar or a generator, most of which are NG.

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You keep acting like these are widespread installations on the system. They aren’t.

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Says who? You keep making this assertion, with nothing to support it.

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Plus you are assuming they aren’t damaged after a major storm. And that natural gas supply won’t be interrupted.

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And you're assuming they'd be entirely degraded. In my experience, that's not likely without damage that would push being able to go for a drive all the way to the bottom of my list of priorities.

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You keep acting like these are widespread installations on the system. They aren’t.

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Natural gas generators are far more common than you think they are. I have access to at least 3 of them just in my local family. The poster above you is aware of plenty of them in his neighborhood.

The lights are never completely out.

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Plus you are assuming they aren’t damaged after a major storm.

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shite man, if it's that bad wtf were you doing riding it out? And of course again you've surely fully charged the vehicle before all that, so where the hell are you going now?

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And that natural gas supply won’t be interrupted.

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I'm sure it happens but in my 42 years I can't recall a time that the stove didn't light.

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You are making assumptions just like I am with the statement above, just in the other direction.

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This is not much of an assumption. Along the storm coasts, there is in my best estimate at least one whole-home generator for every 10-20 homes, plus at least one portable generator for every 10 homes. Generators massively outnumber EVs that may need to be charged. If fuel is available to fill cars, then you can damn sure find a generator running, be it gas, diesel, natural gas, propane, or, as we've discussed to death in this thread, an ICE vehicle to tow with. Again, there are zero scenarios where fuel is available but electricity is not. Just none.

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I think we are entering circular argument / chicken or egg territory here.

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It's not circular at all. And EV can be "converted" to ICE, but not the other way around. If you could fill your gas vehicle with electricity, then it would be circular. But you can't, so it's not.


I don't know whether it's more funny or sad that you still don't understand this basic concept. *All* energy sources can be converted to electricity. All of them. Only one thing can be converted to gas, and then it has to be trucked on roads that may or may not be passable to a gas station that may or may not be open so that you can fill your magic gas cans.

If you still don't get it, then you may be beyond help.


Your thread's intent was to stir shite, and as per usual on the internet it worked. My top priority is to be entertained by it, and that has been fulfilled. My next priority is to make sure you are aware of how dumb you are, but unfortunately you may be too dumb to recognize your mental limitations.

Oh well, I'll keep trying as that is one of the main ways that I draw entertainment.

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What if you charged your car with solar power? Will the sun shine after the hurricane passes?

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You can, maybe, if and to what level depends on a lot of things.

-A typical solar setup will not work when the grid is down. This is a safety feature prescribed by NEC. You either need a specifically designed solar + storage system (usually DC coupled like the LG chem) or you use an add on battery (AC coupled like the PowerWall2). The AC coupled will trick the inverter into thinking there is a grid and powering up. There are some new setups that are in testing to allow the use of the EV battery to function as an AC coupled energy storage system. Basically think an EV coupled with a Tesla Backup Gateway.
-System size. If you want to do any significant charging you're going to need a big system. A couple kW array isn't going to do shite unless its solely dedicated to charging the car and even then it's slow.
-Inverter type. A string inverter can allow you to DC charge the car to gain some efficiency, micro inverters don't have that capability.
-Home consumption. How much can you shut down to direct power to the EV? If space isn't an issue and you can build a system big enough to run the whole house, charge home ESS and an EV.. that's awesome. But its not realistic for many people and you need to prioritize critical loads which will impact how much you can charge the car.

I'm sure I'm forgetting some things but that's the first things that pop in my head.