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re: home electrical question
Posted on 8/21/17 at 5:09 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 8/21/17 at 5:09 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
light switch isnt' connected to the AC.
now that would fun as shite
anyway to get the actual fixture and see where the wire feeding it goes back to or even its direction?
Posted on 8/22/17 at 7:22 am to TeddyPadillac
It's not possible your missing something some where
Posted on 8/22/17 at 8:15 am to LSU_Smash_the_West
yeah, I'm assuming the main panel breaker does indeed cut the power source in question? Has that at least been verified?
From there, I would flip the main breaker back on and start switching breakers off one at a time and keeping the previous breakers off until you hit pay dirt. Then at least you found one of your possible two breakers that could be your problem. Unless you have some secondary panel you haven't yet located. It wouldn't surprise me if a second panel is behind some sheetrock or paneling somewhere.
From there, I would flip the main breaker back on and start switching breakers off one at a time and keeping the previous breakers off until you hit pay dirt. Then at least you found one of your possible two breakers that could be your problem. Unless you have some secondary panel you haven't yet located. It wouldn't surprise me if a second panel is behind some sheetrock or paneling somewhere.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 8:26 am to LSU Wayne
At some point you just have to say "beyond me" and hire a professional" not being able to figure out the source of power to this plug would be that point. you could have an old as shite breaker box under a wall somewhere that is a damn fire hazard or something.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 8:40 am to LSU Wayne
quote:
t wouldn't surprise me if a second panel is behind some sheetrock or paneling somewhere.
My wife was standing in the kitchen watching to see if the porch lights would go out while I was flipping switches. She said she could here clicking behind the refrigerator while I was doing that. I thought nothing of it b/c I figured she didn't know what she was talking about.
There isn't a visible panel back there, and I'm not sure which breaker turns the fridge off either.
I wouldn't think you could hide a panel in the wall. I know the guy that built the house was an architect and he designed it himself, but he didn't build it himself.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 8:40 am to MrLarson
quote:This. My GFI circuits control all sort of random outlets. For example my master bathroom controls one outlet in my garage.
GFI in the kitchen or bathroom
Posted on 8/22/17 at 8:42 am to cubsfinger
quote:
Generally speaking, the lower the voltage, the more amps.
For a motor, lighting fixture, etc... yes. A 120V 1hp motor is designed to draw more current than a 277V 1hp motor. But when you're talking about a fault or a short, where current is passing through a person instead of electrical equipment:
current = voltage/resistance.
Your body's resistance is what it is. The higher the voltage, the higher the current passing through you. If 120V kills more people than other voltages, it's because it's much more prevalent.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:01 am to Crow Pie
What does it possibly being connected to the gfci have to do with anything?
I think the two possible answers are that their is a secret panel somewhere, or its on two breakers.
I think the two possible answers are that their is a secret panel somewhere, or its on two breakers.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 11:38 pm to THRILLHO
Well said and you are correct, that is exactly why I said generally speaking. I did not want to go too in depth and over people's heads. Electricity is complex to fully understand.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 6:05 am to cubsfinger
quote:
The amps are what kills you. Generally speaking, the lower the voltage, the more amps.
Current (amps) = voltage divided by resistance.
If the resistance does not change, higher voltage will allow higher current draw.
Your body generally does not change resistance. If you touch 120 volt wire, you will probably live.
Touch a high voltage transmission line and you will turn to charcoal.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 5:13 pm to BHM
I'm fully aware of Ohms law. I'm a certified industrial electrician. I was just stating facts to the OP because he was talking about working on something hot. Everyone under plays 120v because it's just 120v. It is responsible for the most electrical deaths each year. Cheers
Posted on 8/23/17 at 6:55 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
TeddyPadillac
Not reading the whole thread. But if you do in fact have a receptacle fed from 2 breakers they just so happen to be on the same phase in the panel. What I would do to find those circuits is:
1- Turn off the main so we know it actually kills power to the whole home.
2- Turn the main back on, then turn each breaker off and leave it off until the lights go off.
3- Leave the breaker that killed the lights off, then start turning the other breakers you had off to on.
4- If it's double fed it'll come on at some point.
5- If and when it comes back on, you will have to cap off one or the other in the panel or find where they crossover, which will be expensive.
6- Good luck.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 7:07 pm to TeddyPadillac
If I was you, I'd just call an electrician at this point. I can appreciate DIY with simply putting in something and flipping the breaker to kill the circuit. However, this sounds like it's a little more than that. You end up fricking around and get your arse in a bind trying to save a few hundred dollars.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 7:13 pm to TeddyPadillac
This may have been mentioned already but it could be a bad breaker. I've seen older breakers still put off power even when they are turned off
Posted on 8/23/17 at 7:22 pm to RealityTiger
quote:
RealityTiger
I agree wholeheartedly, but nowadays the techs seem to be less than knowledgeable so the more info you can give them, the better the result, maybe.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 7:25 pm to TeddyPadillac
Have you ever killed the main?
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