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re: Hold up...kids get rings for winning travel ball tournaments
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:34 am to theBeard
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:34 am to theBeard
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please explain your reasoning? It used to be a 20 game league season then, maybe an allstar team was selected to play a couple extra tournaments after the season.
not enough time to get into it.. but competition and teaching kids how to play baseball vanished...
one example is doing away with runners advancing on dropped strike 3 because catchers can't catch... I could go on and on..
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Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:35 am to Rickety Cricket
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Travel ball is the worst of the worst in terms of the quality of families that participate.
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how do you get much worse than this..... you can... and there are more examples of this... and in many sports..and so called sports...
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This post was edited on 4/7/14 at 8:52 am
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:43 am to choupiquesushi
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how do you get much worse than this.
she did volunteer
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:43 am to choupiquesushi
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teaching kids how to play baseball vanished..
sorry I dont agree. I think kids are getting much better coaches with travel ball then the backyard dad that is reliving his glory days. Most of the coaches I seen have very good baseball backgrounds.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:47 am to theBeard
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sorry I dont agree. I think kids are getting much better coaches with travel ball then the backyard dad that is reliving his glory days. Most of the coaches I seen have very good baseball backgrounds.
i meant in league ball....
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:47 am to choupiquesushi
I think my biggest issue with travel ball is the rules they use.
8-12 year olds leading off and stealing bases does not teach them how to play correctly.
Fake a bunt to entice a walk. Take a lead 1/2 way to second and steal because the pitcher can't throw over without airmailing it and the catcher can't get the ball to second. Steal 3rd on the next pitch. Score on a wild pitch. Repeat.
The leading and stealing after the ball crossed the plate was a much better rules set for young players.
8-12 year olds leading off and stealing bases does not teach them how to play correctly.
Fake a bunt to entice a walk. Take a lead 1/2 way to second and steal because the pitcher can't throw over without airmailing it and the catcher can't get the ball to second. Steal 3rd on the next pitch. Score on a wild pitch. Repeat.
The leading and stealing after the ball crossed the plate was a much better rules set for young players.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:55 am to mametoo
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I think my biggest issue with travel ball is the rules they use.
8-12 year olds leading off and stealing bases does not teach them how to play correctly.
Fake a bunt to entice a walk. Take a lead 1/2 way to second and steal because the pitcher can't throw over without airmailing it and the catcher can't get the ball to second. Steal 3rd on the next pitch. Score on a wild pitch. Repeat.
The leading and stealing after the ball crossed the plate was a much better rules set for young players.
this is why most folks broke away from league ball... watering those down is not baseball...
not many 8s are playing kid pitch.... and by 10 base stealing is not free.. at least not at the levels I dealt with.
If a kid can't throw from mound to first - he probably shouldn't be pitching....
This post was edited on 4/7/14 at 8:57 am
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:01 am to theBeard
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if in Louisiana, there aren't many other options.
We are in a Dixie League in Benton (north of Bossier City for the S La folks) and its a solid league from what I can tell.
A few of the teams will play tourney ball a few weeks during the summer, but that's it.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:03 am to Fusaichi Pegasus
Nope, they are getting drafted to MLB is they are part of the Marrucci god's of the future hall of famers best thing to ever hit red clay league 
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:04 am to choupiquesushi
I respect your opinion, and I don't disagree with all of your points in this thread, but this is a very valid point...
It's hard enough for a 9-10 year old kid to try and throw the ball over the plate. There is no good reason for this kid to have to be focused on base runners as well. Is it "real baseball" to have any player that reaches first base be on 3rd base in two pitches? Are hitters really learning how to hit by being told by their coach to take two pitches while the batter in front of them steals his way to third base? Maybe by the time they are 12 years old they might be ready to learn how to hold runners on.
This mindset of playing "real baseball" is out of control. The best example is that a 9, 10, or 11 year old pitcher can not "fake" a throw to third base anymore. Why? Because last year Major League Baseball outlawed the fake to 3B. So in return, the champions of "real baseball" at USSSA decided to be just like the pros and implemented the same rule with the quickness. Never mind that in college and high school (I think) the play is still legal.
News flash: 10 year old baseball players =/= MLB players
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8-12 year olds leading off and stealing bases does not teach them how to play correctly.
Fake a bunt to entice a walk. Take a lead 1/2 way to second and steal because the pitcher can't throw over without airmailing it and the catcher can't get the ball to second. Steal 3rd on the next pitch. Score on a wild pitch. Repeat.
The leading and stealing after the ball crossed the plate was a much better rules set for young players
It's hard enough for a 9-10 year old kid to try and throw the ball over the plate. There is no good reason for this kid to have to be focused on base runners as well. Is it "real baseball" to have any player that reaches first base be on 3rd base in two pitches? Are hitters really learning how to hit by being told by their coach to take two pitches while the batter in front of them steals his way to third base? Maybe by the time they are 12 years old they might be ready to learn how to hold runners on.
This mindset of playing "real baseball" is out of control. The best example is that a 9, 10, or 11 year old pitcher can not "fake" a throw to third base anymore. Why? Because last year Major League Baseball outlawed the fake to 3B. So in return, the champions of "real baseball" at USSSA decided to be just like the pros and implemented the same rule with the quickness. Never mind that in college and high school (I think) the play is still legal.
News flash: 10 year old baseball players =/= MLB players
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:06 am to Choupique19
Good, I am glad all the money they get for panhandling at the entrance to Walmart bought them something.
ETA: And at redlights, parking lots, and gas stations as well.
ETA: And at redlights, parking lots, and gas stations as well.
This post was edited on 4/7/14 at 9:08 am
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:06 am to theBeard
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I think kids are getting much better coaches with travel ball then the backyard dad that is reliving his glory days.
If you don't think that a large portion of "travel ball teams" are comprised of "backyard dads" then you are mistaken.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:11 am to choupiquesushi
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not many 8s are playing kid pitch.
Ok, I guess I exaggerated about 8 year olds pitching.
In an entire season how many 10 year olds get picked off or thrown out when stealing?
The number is very low, even when you consider they are playing way too many games.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:15 am to Choupique19
I am sure some are. I dont have kids but several buddies that played college baseball coach on the side. The knowledge they have is much greater then most dads.
I am seeing travel baseball from a non parent view. My nephew has been playing travel for several yrs, and just have been approached by my brother on my opinion.
I am seeing travel baseball from a non parent view. My nephew has been playing travel for several yrs, and just have been approached by my brother on my opinion.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:15 am to Choupique19
I prefer the leads and steals because it can be an equalizer for teams that don't have big hitters.. Every kid can run the bases well if taught.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:17 am to mametoo
mametoo and choupique.... I know my kid picked off plenty runners when he was 9 and 10.
mainly because the base runners assumed they had free passes and or were not taught how to lead and steal correctly....
we had many picks put in when coaches told kids.. "get off get off... GO...".. boom run down.. OUT....
the leagues I played in in the 70s all had free stealing and leads at 9...
the leagues I coached in in the 90s did too.. but this changed in the 90s....
mainly because the base runners assumed they had free passes and or were not taught how to lead and steal correctly....
we had many picks put in when coaches told kids.. "get off get off... GO...".. boom run down.. OUT....
the leagues I played in in the 70s all had free stealing and leads at 9...
the leagues I coached in in the 90s did too.. but this changed in the 90s....
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:20 am to theBeard
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I am sure some are. I dont have kids but several buddies that played college baseball coach on the side. The knowledge they have is much greater then most dads.
my kid was coached by a few dads that played well after HS... and some of the best players .. make the worst coaches.... some.. not all.... and I have not coached my kid since he was 9 save for a few games subbing for a missing coach....
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:24 am to choupiquesushi
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this is why most folks broke away from league ball... watering those down is not baseball...
not many 8s are playing kid pitch.... and by 10 base stealing is not free.. at least not at the levels I dealt with.
If a kid can't throw from mound to first - he probably shouldn't be pitching....
this this and this.
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The leading and stealing after the ball crossed the plate was a much better rules set for young players.
if those are the rules you wan to play by then keep your kid in the wreck league.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:27 am to tgrbaitn08
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if those are the rules you wan to play by then keep your kid in the wreck league.
you're talking about EIGHT year olds. Why parents are in such a hurry to turn their kids into little Under Armour clad douchebags is beyond me.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:27 am to choupiquesushi
You only have so many throws in your arm before you won't be able to eat your Cheerio's without sucking them up out of the bowl with your mouth.
What do you travel ball guru's think is the main reason for the spike in arm surgeries for kids 15-19 as Dr. James Andrews has talked about?
What do you travel ball guru's think is the main reason for the spike in arm surgeries for kids 15-19 as Dr. James Andrews has talked about?
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