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Posted on 4/19/21 at 1:23 pm to
Posted by IndigoTiger
Member since Mar 2021
391 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 1:23 pm to
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take a fluid pill to keep my ankles from swelling,
I'm starting to experience this and im active,constantly moving, the swelling in the ankles. I prolly need the diuretic also...
This post was edited on 4/19/21 at 1:25 pm
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
24598 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 1:27 pm to
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cant lie id look like the poster child for aids if I dropped 30

No you wouldn’t. You just think you would because you are so used to seeing fat people and have accepted that as normal
Posted by IndigoTiger
Member since Mar 2021
391 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 1:28 pm to
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This is no joke and nothing to play around with. You need to start making some health changes now before it continues to climb. Diet/exercise are key instead of just popping a pill.


yes ma'am, am doing so
Posted by IndigoTiger
Member since Mar 2021
391 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 1:30 pm to
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Just eating real actual food cured it in three weeks. I
what were you eating for ex breakfast lunch and dinner?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36859 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 1:31 pm to
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Effects of Aerobic Versus Resistance Training on Blood Pressure in Hypertensive Patients'


thank you, i read the study. I would not call a sutdy based on resistance training with the "Seven different types of exercises were abdominal curl ups, biceps curls, triceps extension, back extension, leg curls, side leg raises and knee extension" any real form of resistance training. overall it is a terriblly dsigned program with zero compound exercises and no real strength work what so ever.


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From a cardiopulmonary standpoint, aerobic exercise is superior to resistance training in multiple ways. Arguing otherwise verges on being silly.


really? you sure based on current research? you sure, sure? when it comes to heart health you will have zeolots on both sides, certaily you are not arguing aerobic alone is better than a properly designed resistance program.

I am a huge proponent of resistance training but the reality is a combination of a properly design weight training program with hard conditioning combined with 1-2 days of LISS has now been proven to be the best. Reality is a combined program is the best for quality of life.

here is some articles and studies on it

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Among individuals at high risk of developing CVD with an elevated blood pressure or hypertension, a combination of aerobic and resistance exercise training resulted in improved diastolic blood pressure, increased lean body mass, and increased strength and cardiorespiratory fitness, even though the exercise intervention was only 8 weeks long. Moreover, these data suggest that combination training may be of better value than either aerobic or resistance training alone, as it appeared to have the most beneficial effect on the composite of CVD risk factors


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Conclusions
CT is more effective than AT in improving body composition, strength, and some indicators of cardiovascular fitness, and does not compromise study completion or safety when compared to AT.


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Conclusions
Resistance only or combined training improves peak VO2, quality of life and walking performance in heart failure patients.


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this meta-analysis provides evidence for the potential of dynamic resistance exercise training to significantly decrease BP, increase peak Vo2, and decrease body fat and plasma triglycerides. It further supports the efficacy of IHGT in the management of high BP.

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Conclusion
Isolated progressive resistance training resulted in an increase in lower and upper body strength, and improved aerobic fitness to a similar degree as aerobic training in coronary heart disease cohorts. Importantly, when progressive resistance training was added to aerobic training, effects on both fitness and strength were enhanced compared to aerobic training alone.

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Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 1:42 pm to
I took lisinopril. No weight gain.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
Cloud 8
Member since Nov 2012
6349 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:06 pm to
I started on 6.25 twice daily and was too fatigued to do much. That was cut to one 6.25 daily. Half in the am; half pm. Because it blocks adrenaline and such like stimulants the heart doesn’t pump as hard as it would without the beta blocker. Thus fluid retention-which is what I went to deal with originally. Between diuretic and carvedilol blood pressure is in check. But edema is not.

Not real happy with my cardiologist. Not particularly because of the beta blocker but their refusal to discuss alternatives and dismissive arrogance. And because they’re a member of the Statin Religious Cult.

I may have to do telemedicine with a cardiologist outside of Houston to deal with a more progressive and current physician. If anyone can recommend a Baton Rouge cardiologist whose first words don’t include statin I need the help and advice.
Posted by Swamproot
Member since Oct 2017
339 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:18 pm to
You need more viagra
Posted by IndigoTiger
Member since Mar 2021
391 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:25 pm to
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Between diuretic and carvedilol blood pressure is in check. But edema is not.
So how much weight is being gained because of the edema?is it just in your ankles? How bad is the edema? If you do do mind me asking ,what is your weight and ht?...on internet it claims carvedilol is supposed to be a newer class of beta blockers and doesn't make u gain weight but I don't believe it...
This post was edited on 4/19/21 at 2:27 pm
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
33923 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:26 pm to
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I'm getting used to lowering the salt thing.
that's one of the devil in the details in processed and restaurant food.
Posted by DeltaTiger14
Shangri La
Member since Nov 2015
181 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:29 pm to
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more cardio... cut out as many processed foods as you can, including "diet" soft drinks

This, I have been doing working on this for a couple of weeks now. It is only difficult because it requires a little planning for the meal so I try to get up a little earlier and get my lunch together.
Posted by IndigoTiger
Member since Mar 2021
391 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:29 pm to
I'm doing a more lean meat a green veges on the side meals...I'm figuring around 6 ounces of lean meat and 2 green veges(strong beans,cabbage,Brussel sprouts, with cucumbers or tomatoes for lunch and dinner , maybe a boiled egg for breakfast with 1 toast with fake butter sprayed on...?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36859 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:36 pm to
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boiled egg for breakfast with 1 toast with fake butter sprayed on


would be better off dropping the toast and eating more eggs.

in general if you can stay to single ingredient foods, the better off you are.

also real grass fed butter is much much better than fake butter of any kind.

overall though 90% of the health benifits of a diet is going to come from being in a caloric deficit. but the more natural you can be the better. the rest of your diet looks fine.

in general most people instinctively know how to eat. leaner meats and lots of color and lots of water never ever heart anyone.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
33923 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:41 pm to
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quote:
more cardio... cut out as many processed foods as you can, including "diet" soft drinks

This, I have been doing working on this for a couple of weeks now. It is only difficult because it requires a little planning for the meal so I try to get up a little earlier and get my lunch together.
yeah, but we preplan our meals all week and have a "go" meal in the fridge or freezer that only needs to be heated up pretty much all the time. and we have used our crock pot more in the last 2 years than in the previous 25. I thought I was doing good by eating a turkey sandwich on whole wheat for lunch till I realized how much Salt and other crap was in deli meat. We even make our own salad dressing now. Took me down from an average of 134/90 to 120/70.

Hibiscus team has become my soft drink. and I still have a nip of bourbon a few nights a week.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
33923 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:44 pm to
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I'm doing a more lean meat a green veges on the side meals...I'm figuring around 6 ounces of lean meat and 2 green veges(strong beans,cabbage,Brussel sprouts, with cucumbers or tomatoes for lunch and dinner , maybe a boiled egg for breakfast with 1 toast with fake butter sprayed on...?
breakfast omlett 2 eggs, 1 mushroom chopped little poblano pepper chopped.. handful or baby spinach...

used to be craving from 930 till lunch.. now... i'm good till lunch.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
37649 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 3:05 pm to
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I took lisinopril. No weight gain.
that one gave me an awful dry cough.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
37649 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 3:16 pm to
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what were you eating for ex breakfast lunch and dinner?
Just basic recognizable food in as close to its natural form as my palate allows. Sweet potatoes, greens, nuts, fruit. I ate fish at the time, usually a few servings of cold water fatty fish a week, though I no longer eat fish.

It's more important to focus on what you're not eating- fast food, processed foods, added sugar, added sodium, oils, stop putting shitty processed "cheese product" in everything, etc...
Posted by Hoovertigah
Fayetteville
Member since Sep 2013
3760 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 3:20 pm to
Last year I went 90 days plant based. I lost 30 pounds. Was early stages of obesity, high bp, sugar, etc... all dropped, no meds. I was 6’ 215, now I’m 180. Food is crucial. I eat meat now, but lay off chips, breads, processed foods, processed meats.
Posted by MBclass83
Member since Oct 2010
10143 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 3:24 pm to
6 ' tall and 170 is too thin. Girls like some meat on their men.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36859 posts
Posted on 4/19/21 at 3:27 pm to
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6 ' tall and 170 is too thin. Girls like some meat on their men.


haha yea you sound like an idiot that hangs around fatties that inturn like fatties.
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