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Posted on 3/12/18 at 7:02 am to lsugradman
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Seemed they should have able to get out and swim to shore?
I've been in 45 to 50 degree water, without a wetsuit, while kayaking. All you're thinking about is getting out of that water.
But even if you're a good swimmer, the cold will get you quickly.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 7:29 am to TheHarahanian
Reading now that actually none of the them were able to get out of their harnesses. Even the pilot had to be "cut out" of his harness. This just seems really strange to me.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 7:30 am to lsugradman
ABC aviation "expert" said that the pilot training and his getting in/out of that harness everyday saved his life as it was second nature on how to do it -- not so much for the passengers.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 7:44 am to lsugradman
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Seemed they should have able to get out and swim to shore?
Not in water that cold.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 8:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 3/12/18 at 6:02 pm to TigerDude80
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This is how they "should" work
Was exactly what I had in my head.
ETA: So yes, it's already been designed:
LINK
Just seems like a small price to pay for any chopper that will go over bodies of water.
Comment in that video from a few hours ago:
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Hi, I'm with ABC News. I would like to ask you a few questions about your video. Can you please give me a call at 212-456-4040 as soon as you can? Thank you.?
Sounds like there will be a push for them on more choppers.
This post was edited on 3/12/18 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 3/12/18 at 7:03 pm to AUsteriskPride
That helicopter had floats. If you look closely, you can see that they are deployed when it went in the water.
The pilot had a little too much forward airspeed, which probably damaged some of the individual cells.
The pilot had a little too much forward airspeed, which probably damaged some of the individual cells.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 7:05 pm to AUsteriskPride
Every helicopter that operates beyond auto-rotation distance from shore is required to be equipped with floats.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 7:10 pm to AUsteriskPride
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Seems like someone could invent a landing cushioning/buoyancy system that inflates right before impact.
It already exists.
Helicopters are mans way of defying physics. When a chopper crashes, drowning is the least of your worries.
Eta - If that we’re a PHI flight they would’ve required all passengers to wear 10 layers of clothing and they would’ve survived.
This post was edited on 3/12/18 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 3/12/18 at 10:08 pm to lsugradman
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Reading now that actually none of the them were able to get out of their harnesses. Even the pilot had to be "cut out" of his harness. This just seems really strange to me.
Seems odd to me as well.. the way those harnesses are made they tend to pop off even easier if you have them really tight. Also to the folks talking about HUET training, the biggest issue there is getting the emergency doors/windows open. If the doors were already off of the helicopter it’s just a matter of releasing the harness and going out the side.
I wonder if they would have been required to wear life jackets on that flight. I’d assume so since they were flying around the Statue of Liberty and whatnot.
Either way, even if you do get out and inflate your life jacket I don’t think survival for any length of time is guaranteed at that water temp. If the pilot did manage to get a raft deployed and climb onto it at that temperature and in that current, he might have done all he could to save them.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 11:28 am to tween the hedges
Update LINK
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Hoisted into the air by a crane, the mock helicopter cabin swayed above the water in total silence. I sat inside, as tense as the four-point harness holding me in place. Then everything went dark. Wind from giant commercial fans roared toward us to replicate the downwash from a main rotor, water sprayed in from every angle, and we fell into a deep, barely lit indoor pool below, water suddenly pouring in from every opening. The fuselage began rotating upside-down as the operator, standing poolside with a remote control, drove the mechanized rotation ring that sent us spinning. I took a deep breath just before the water reached my neck. As water flooded my nasal cavity for at least the 12th time that day, I fought the urge to unhook my seatbelts and break for the surface. Trying to escape while the aircraft is spinning in the water is a sure way to disorient yourself and minimize your chance of survival.
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The flight was supposed to be all fun and games—an exciting, doors-off, wind-in-your-hair helicopter ride above Manhattan that would yield gorgeous sunset images of the city. It’s a service that FlyNYON has offered for a few years now, and the dramatic aerial shots have become a staple for Instagrammers, many of whom function as unofficial ambassadors for the company.
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But in the wake of the accident, it now appears, based on the startlingly quick regulatory reaction from the FAA, feedback from industry experts, a lawsuit from the family of one of the victims, internal company emails obtained and reviewed by WIRED in conjunction with industry publication Vertical, and my own observations of the preflight safety briefing and the flight itself, that when that helicopter hit the water in what should have been a wet but entirely survivable landing, its five passengers nevertheless had little chance of making it out alive.
Posted on 4/11/18 at 11:42 am to lsugradman
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I've had Huet training but with the way that landed I'm surprised no one else survived. Seemed they should have able to get out and swim to shore?
I've had Huet training as well and those seat belts were a bitch to get off the first few times. If we didn't submerge straight down the first few times, I probably would have not been able to unbuckle when we rolled. These people had zero training and did a semi roll. And let's not forget that their emotions are running high with the pilot screaming, "May Day, May Day".
Posted on 4/11/18 at 12:58 pm to phutureisyic
Further down in the article it states that the pilot thought he could make Central Park, but put it in the water to avoid hitting people on the ground.
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